I'm not sure they are particularly going to stress Chelsea out if that is the best mind games they can come up with. Good players but Chelsea are top of the table for a reason and there is no sign of a wobble yet.
And, we're off.....2016/17
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If it's a means to an end, ie, we keep our best players and can attract others with European football and progress in the league then I'd risk it with Koeman, if it's back to yo yo league finishers then no thanks.
On saturday after the match Koeman wrote off top 4 for this season and still wants to try for top 6 this season, stated top 4 for next year, maybe a bit optimistic but happy with his attitude.
He won't attract the right players finishing 8th and below every season.
I get that. 7th place and Europa suggests qualifying in mid July, no break for the players, Thursday night matches in Kazahkstan etc. Too many pointless matches that mess your league form up when you have a squad size like ours. I would rather not have Europa league this year and see what we can do league wise next year.
Do players come to your club because you are in the Europa league? Not convinced by that. CL yes, EL no.
Do players come to your club because you are in the Europa league? Not convinced by that. CL yes, EL no.
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But being brutal, would we have a better chance of getting CL football by reaching top 4 in the PL over 38 games or trying to win the Europa League over half that amount of games and qualifying that way?
I don't want us switching off with10 games to play in case we get EL football.
If we show progress and players see the ambition is for regular CL football and challenging for trophies they'll be interested, if the ambition is 4th or 9th and let's hope next season is better then we'd struggle, hopefully they see EL as a stepping stone to more.
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Yes, can't agree more, even as a Spurs fan.
What do you expect to happen, instead of a slap a handshake and a beer. Something's you don't do, and they were looking for a reaction, which they got
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Have Carragher and Redknapp had a kiss and a cuddle and made up yet?
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Not sure,but Nevilles thoughts on it was quite funny.
Durban have pulled out of holding the 2022 Commonwealth Games. There were no other bids. Liverpool Council have offered to hold it. Logic says that like with Manchester a stadium could be built that will then be handed over to Everton. This stadium would be a proper one designed for football ultimately rather than the mess that is the West Ham stadium. It would mean Everton would have to wait another 5 years for a new ground but no doubt it would reduce their costs significantly.
I was down in Liverpool a week ago and was talking to relatives about this. The location is in an old dock area that would be cheap to buy and open for renovation. The worry was the access and crowd dispersal after a game. For those who know the city better than I do, what are your thoughts on this? What can be done to improve mobility and access around that area?
Try hard, difficult I know, to simply make jokes. (okay jokes are allowed at the end of each post if you feel the need)
I was down in Liverpool a week ago and was talking to relatives about this. The location is in an old dock area that would be cheap to buy and open for renovation. The worry was the access and crowd dispersal after a game. For those who know the city better than I do, what are your thoughts on this? What can be done to improve mobility and access around that area?
Try hard, difficult I know, to simply make jokes. (okay jokes are allowed at the end of each post if you feel the need)
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It's not really a harsh chant though or one that's deeply insulting. The guy that was punched now has the moral high ground and last laugh as no doubt the guy who punched him will be arrested etc. If he was ignored by everyone then the impact of his trolling is down to nil.
I just wish this sort of stuff would finally disappear from football
I'm sorry Phil but you live in a bubble all of your own, if I stood outside Anfield or any ground and sang the same words to the opposing fans walking past, I'd get a slap, pure and simple!
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And the coppers could and maybe should arrest you for foul and abusive language or even incitement, scrote was asking for it and bet he's learned his lesson.
Tonight's talking points & stats for both teams..
When Owen Hargreaves and Chris Sutton drew each other’s former clubs, Chelsea and Manchester United, out of the bowl to set up this FA Cup quarter-final, it was instantly hailed the tie of the round.
It has the lot: pride of London versus cock of the North, league leaders against cup holders, Jose Mourinho returning again to the club that sacked him last season, and the two most successful English clubs of the past decade battling to add to their haul of 10 major trophies apiece in that time.
Picked for a weekday evening kick-off, it will also have the floodlit feel of a replay, though such rematches have now been consigned to the past in this venerable old tournament.
In our first FA Cup joust with post-Ferguson Man United, Chelsea are tilting at extending the unbeaten run against the Mancunians from 11 to 12 matches in all competitions. The Blues have won five of the past six meetings at the Bridge in league and cup. United have won only twice in their past 19 visits here.
The current record of 12 consecutive wins was first set between 17 May and 21 November 2009, and matched with results from 24 September 2014 to 10 January 2015, the second of those runs while Mourinho was at the tiller.
To arrive at this stage of the FA Cup, his current side saw off Championship clubs Reading, Wigan, and Blackburn, with a solitary goal against. The Blues’ took on League One Peterborough, and the second tier sides Brentford and Wolves, likewise conceding only once.
In-form Pedro’s goal in each round to date (four in total) means he can still emulate an English ‘Peter’ – the peerless Osgood – who hit the net in every round of the 1969/70 competition, including the replayed final.
Pedro’s superb finish at Molineux last month was unsurprisingly the 5ft 6in Spaniard’s first header in this competition, whereas five of the eight scored by 6ft 1in Ossie 47 years ago were nodded in.
Monday’s cup opponents are enjoying a long unbeaten run in the league stretching back to October. That last defeat was, of course, the one they endured at the Bridge. Pedro’s 29.6 seconds opener in that 4-0 triumph remains the fastest goal in the league this season.
The Premier League frontrunners will surely be in buoyant mood after Monday’s success at West Ham and Man City’s draw with Stoke, which reduced the maximum points now needed to win the title to 24. The Blues have had several days to prepare for this game and Antonio Conte has admitted the FA Cup is ‘another target for us’.
In contrast, Monday’s game is the second of four across three different competitions over 11 days for Man United. The first of three away trips among those required a 4,700-mile round trip to Russia in the Europa League on Thursday. The second leg is at Old Trafford three days after our FA Cup match.
Coincidentally, should the Red Devils progress to the last eight in Europe, the first and second legs would come either side of the Blues’ visit to Old Trafford, requiring further careful consideration of team selections and priorities. Winning the Europa League this season, remember, gains access to next season’s Champions League.
One of the rewards for winning the FA Cup is entry to the 2017/18 Europa League. Another is the £1.8m prize money. Each quarter-final winner earns £360,000 and National League leaders Lincoln City, who face embattled Arsenal this weekend, deserve enormous credit for their glorious achievement of becoming the first non-league club for 103 years to reach the last eight.
With gate money and broadcast revenue added, the Imps will receive a sudden, club-changing financial injection. They reportedly plan to invest it in infrastructure, especially training and medical areas. Incidentally, Arsenal’s latest 1-5 defeat at the hands of Carlo Ancelotti and Bayern in midweek was their biggest at home under Arsene Wenger since a 5-0 tonking by Gianluca Vialli’s Chelsea in the 1998/99 League Cup.
This weekend’s round of FA Cup quarter-final matches is the first ever in which there can be no replay. Any game tied after stoppages will be settled on the day with extra time and, if necessary, a penalty shoot-out.
Chelsea have lost our past two penalty shoot-outs, to Bayern Munich in the UEFA Super Cup and Stoke in the League Cup. Our most recent success was in the 2012 Champions League final against Bayern Munich.
Man United have lost their past four penalty shoot-outs. Their last success was in the 2009 League Cup final against Tottenham.
Should additional minutes be required, another innovation will come into play: the authority to use four of the seven substitutes named. This means that a team may use three at any time, and a fourth (or, indeed, all remaining subs up to the four allowed) in extra time.
Extra-time dramas and Man United are a further reminder of that 1970 replay against Leeds at Old Trafford. It was the first final since 1912 to require a second game, and still ranks as the highest ever UK television audience for club football, with 28.5 million viewers on the night.
On a more sombre note, it is the 40th anniversary this month of the tragic death of one of the club’s immortals from that FA Cup-winning night, Peter Houseman.
The Blues’ former winger and his wife Sally were killed by a reckless driver in a road accident on 20 March 1977. Their sons are guests of the club at Monday’s game.
When Owen Hargreaves and Chris Sutton drew each other’s former clubs, Chelsea and Manchester United, out of the bowl to set up this FA Cup quarter-final, it was instantly hailed the tie of the round.
It has the lot: pride of London versus cock of the North, league leaders against cup holders, Jose Mourinho returning again to the club that sacked him last season, and the two most successful English clubs of the past decade battling to add to their haul of 10 major trophies apiece in that time.
Picked for a weekday evening kick-off, it will also have the floodlit feel of a replay, though such rematches have now been consigned to the past in this venerable old tournament.
In our first FA Cup joust with post-Ferguson Man United, Chelsea are tilting at extending the unbeaten run against the Mancunians from 11 to 12 matches in all competitions. The Blues have won five of the past six meetings at the Bridge in league and cup. United have won only twice in their past 19 visits here.
The current record of 12 consecutive wins was first set between 17 May and 21 November 2009, and matched with results from 24 September 2014 to 10 January 2015, the second of those runs while Mourinho was at the tiller.
To arrive at this stage of the FA Cup, his current side saw off Championship clubs Reading, Wigan, and Blackburn, with a solitary goal against. The Blues’ took on League One Peterborough, and the second tier sides Brentford and Wolves, likewise conceding only once.
In-form Pedro’s goal in each round to date (four in total) means he can still emulate an English ‘Peter’ – the peerless Osgood – who hit the net in every round of the 1969/70 competition, including the replayed final.
Pedro’s superb finish at Molineux last month was unsurprisingly the 5ft 6in Spaniard’s first header in this competition, whereas five of the eight scored by 6ft 1in Ossie 47 years ago were nodded in.
Monday’s cup opponents are enjoying a long unbeaten run in the league stretching back to October. That last defeat was, of course, the one they endured at the Bridge. Pedro’s 29.6 seconds opener in that 4-0 triumph remains the fastest goal in the league this season.
The Premier League frontrunners will surely be in buoyant mood after Monday’s success at West Ham and Man City’s draw with Stoke, which reduced the maximum points now needed to win the title to 24. The Blues have had several days to prepare for this game and Antonio Conte has admitted the FA Cup is ‘another target for us’.
In contrast, Monday’s game is the second of four across three different competitions over 11 days for Man United. The first of three away trips among those required a 4,700-mile round trip to Russia in the Europa League on Thursday. The second leg is at Old Trafford three days after our FA Cup match.
Coincidentally, should the Red Devils progress to the last eight in Europe, the first and second legs would come either side of the Blues’ visit to Old Trafford, requiring further careful consideration of team selections and priorities. Winning the Europa League this season, remember, gains access to next season’s Champions League.
One of the rewards for winning the FA Cup is entry to the 2017/18 Europa League. Another is the £1.8m prize money. Each quarter-final winner earns £360,000 and National League leaders Lincoln City, who face embattled Arsenal this weekend, deserve enormous credit for their glorious achievement of becoming the first non-league club for 103 years to reach the last eight.
With gate money and broadcast revenue added, the Imps will receive a sudden, club-changing financial injection. They reportedly plan to invest it in infrastructure, especially training and medical areas. Incidentally, Arsenal’s latest 1-5 defeat at the hands of Carlo Ancelotti and Bayern in midweek was their biggest at home under Arsene Wenger since a 5-0 tonking by Gianluca Vialli’s Chelsea in the 1998/99 League Cup.
This weekend’s round of FA Cup quarter-final matches is the first ever in which there can be no replay. Any game tied after stoppages will be settled on the day with extra time and, if necessary, a penalty shoot-out.
Chelsea have lost our past two penalty shoot-outs, to Bayern Munich in the UEFA Super Cup and Stoke in the League Cup. Our most recent success was in the 2012 Champions League final against Bayern Munich.
Man United have lost their past four penalty shoot-outs. Their last success was in the 2009 League Cup final against Tottenham.
Should additional minutes be required, another innovation will come into play: the authority to use four of the seven substitutes named. This means that a team may use three at any time, and a fourth (or, indeed, all remaining subs up to the four allowed) in extra time.
Extra-time dramas and Man United are a further reminder of that 1970 replay against Leeds at Old Trafford. It was the first final since 1912 to require a second game, and still ranks as the highest ever UK television audience for club football, with 28.5 million viewers on the night.
On a more sombre note, it is the 40th anniversary this month of the tragic death of one of the club’s immortals from that FA Cup-winning night, Peter Houseman.
The Blues’ former winger and his wife Sally were killed by a reckless driver in a road accident on 20 March 1977. Their sons are guests of the club at Monday’s game.
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How is that a yellow card ! Did he even touch him
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I thought that about the first one. Herrera stood his ground and Hazard ran in to him. The second one there was barely a touch and Hazard took a dive.
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First one was foul at most - Hazard throwing himself all over the place
Managers having handbags
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Not sure either are bookable. Think Herrera's reputation for being a niggly player has done for him.
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Am sure I speak for the masses when I say am gutted Utd are down to 10.😁
He tripped him, he's an idiot. The afters reminded me of Utd of old. Snarling en masse around the ref. Not much respect being shown there.
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