sawtooth
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As perverse as it may sound yes I'd much prefer Spurs to win something instead of Chelsea.
In my mind it's cheating and I'd favour the team that wins something fair and square even if they are local rivals.
And, we're off.....2016/17
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As perverse as it may sound yes I'd much prefer Spurs to win something instead of Chelsea.
In my mind it's cheating and I'd favour the team that wins something fair and square even if they are local rivals.
sawtooth
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Just a little!
But then Wenger was a voyeur so makes sense(i jest).
Did I do something to you in a former life? You don't even support Chelsea.
What? Talk about mountain and molehills.
I was clearly joking in that response! I thought that was shown by me stating that and using emojis. No need to get so defensive.
As to me supporting chelsea (or not). You don't either but have plenty to say about them, so why can't I or others?
Think it's time to join the growing masses and leave this playground alone a while.
sawtooth
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I'm not referring to this response but in general.
If I appear a bit anti-Chelsea do you blame me? Most of the time it's a reply to a bit of Anti Arsenal stuff so if you could bear that in mind before jumping on my back I would be grateful.
Fight fire with fire and all that.
I don't mind most of the banter but I don't approve of personal insults. Its a pity this thread has gone to that level and frankly surprised a lot of it went unnoticed but hey ho.
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Sorry, but nowhere have i got personal. The joke was at Wengers expense and not yours.
I'm out, people can't hide behind the word banter only when it's not at their expense.
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sawtooth
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Not referring to you when I mentioned personal insults.
People have opinions and can write what they like about Arsenal, Wenger , me. I really don't mind as long as it's clean and not personal insults but they should also expect for me not to lie down and take it.
That's why I sound like a broken record , non stop replies to same old banter.
I see a village is missing it's idiot, I hope it got home ok, it seems to only escape when most have gone to bed 🤔😜
Once again a question was asked about Arsenal management (current news everywhere you look) which suddenly turns, not surprisingly, into an anti Chelsea rant, and then openly, not for the first time, Coco, with his big red hooter & water shooting daffodil wishes their biggest & neighbouring arch rivals success 😳 Hmm, is that the FA Cup which Arsenal is still in or a top 4 place that Arsenal are also trying to keep within their grasp or both 😳
I think this months half n half scarf award has no competition and is winging it's way to Gobblers Knob as we speak, wear it with pride at the FA Cup semi-final, you should last a few minutes, wear good trainers 😂
Once again a question was asked about Arsenal management (current news everywhere you look) which suddenly turns, not surprisingly, into an anti Chelsea rant, and then openly, not for the first time, Coco, with his big red hooter & water shooting daffodil wishes their biggest & neighbouring arch rivals success 😳 Hmm, is that the FA Cup which Arsenal is still in or a top 4 place that Arsenal are also trying to keep within their grasp or both 😳
I think this months half n half scarf award has no competition and is winging it's way to Gobblers Knob as we speak, wear it with pride at the FA Cup semi-final, you should last a few minutes, wear good trainers 😂
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What a crap ground, even for what is billed as a high profile London Derby there were empty seats everywhere and yet we could have doubled or tripled our 3k allowance, in fact loads of us we're moaning and had to stand at the top back concourse as finding seats was a joke and the stewards were thick and uncooperative.
We were constantly singling 'You sold your soul to this **** hole' and 'Your not West Ham anymore' and what really was obvious is how Brady and her cronies run this club and surpress incidents, especially when a WH numpty ran at our end 5 minutes before the end, the Sky cameraman swung his camera to film him only for the head of security and a couple of others grab the camera on the tripod and swing it away from the numpty being grounded and we could see serious words being exchanged between the cameraman & security! obviously nothing ever happens at this ground, it's all surpressed 😡
Disappointing late goal but another 3 points and another game less, keeping the donkey quiet was key as we knew we were going to get an Aerial bombardment and I think the tactics were spot on.
I didn't think we needed to take off Pedro, his contribution and pace was excellent and I thought and we sat back too early with the changed formation, WH needed to push forward and we could have countered again rather than invite them on.
OB were a nightmare and they wouldn't let me breakaway out of the cordon our group had being escorted away insisting I went the opposite way I wanted to go! Couple of suicide numpties ran at us all outside with odds of over 500/1, just about sums up their intellect 😜
Won't be going back there in a hurry, crap ground, badly organised inside and over the top OB, back home 2am 😡
We were constantly singling 'You sold your soul to this **** hole' and 'Your not West Ham anymore' and what really was obvious is how Brady and her cronies run this club and surpress incidents, especially when a WH numpty ran at our end 5 minutes before the end, the Sky cameraman swung his camera to film him only for the head of security and a couple of others grab the camera on the tripod and swing it away from the numpty being grounded and we could see serious words being exchanged between the cameraman & security! obviously nothing ever happens at this ground, it's all surpressed 😡
Disappointing late goal but another 3 points and another game less, keeping the donkey quiet was key as we knew we were going to get an Aerial bombardment and I think the tactics were spot on.
I didn't think we needed to take off Pedro, his contribution and pace was excellent and I thought and we sat back too early with the changed formation, WH needed to push forward and we could have countered again rather than invite them on.
OB were a nightmare and they wouldn't let me breakaway out of the cordon our group had being escorted away insisting I went the opposite way I wanted to go! Couple of suicide numpties ran at us all outside with odds of over 500/1, just about sums up their intellect 😜
Won't be going back there in a hurry, crap ground, badly organised inside and over the top OB, back home 2am 😡
I always find the "buy the title" argument slightly chucklesome. Utd fans tried it for a while when Chelsea first came on the scene. That soon stopped when everyone pointed out Fergie's spending outstripped everyone else before Chelsea came along. Arsenal spent big money on Sanchez and Ozil, far more than most teams can afford. Does that mean they buy 4th place? How can West Brom, Stoke, Bournemouth, Watford etc compete with Arsenal? Where is the difference?
There is a financial pecking order, that's life. Sometimes that gets distorted, ie City and Chelsea, but that just means they got lucky and the rest of us have to suck it up. Arsenal have the same money, billionaire owners, ground that prints money. The owners just choose to trouser it, the manager wont spend it in the amounts required to go that next step. Please don't bleat about teams buying the title though, it's embarrassing.
There is a financial pecking order, that's life. Sometimes that gets distorted, ie City and Chelsea, but that just means they got lucky and the rest of us have to suck it up. Arsenal have the same money, billionaire owners, ground that prints money. The owners just choose to trouser it, the manager wont spend it in the amounts required to go that next step. Please don't bleat about teams buying the title though, it's embarrassing.
Slime
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I think you're missing the point here.
It's not about how much money is being spent, it's about where the money comes from.
Sean is saying that Arsenal's money is generated from footballing activities whereas Chelsea's money came out of a sugar daddy's pocket .................. huge difference.
Most of Chelsea's initial money came from the sugar daddy, same as City, but then they were starting from so far behind they needed that jump start. Now Chelsea are more on an even keel and the excesses of past years are gone. I expect the same will happen to City in a few years time. They will still be big spenders but they can now sell a player for a big sum to balance out the big purchases. I do get what Sean is saying but it is a rose tinted, romanticised view. It's a bit like travelling in a horse and trap instead of a car. Move on, times have changed. You can keep harking back to days gone by but in the meantime other teams keeping winning the big silverware.
stokie_93
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Not looking forward to tomorrow nights' game tomorrow.
No Martins Indi & Arnautovic doubtful will be 2 huge blows for us.
I wouldn't be surprised if City score 5/6 unless we just go all out defence.
No Martins Indi & Arnautovic doubtful will be 2 huge blows for us.
I wouldn't be surprised if City score 5/6 unless we just go all out defence.
You seem to have lost some steel from recent times. Stoke on a Wednesday night is no longer intimidating.
Looking at the table you are doing okay but just not progressing this year. Is that about right?
Looking at the table you are doing okay but just not progressing this year. Is that about right?
stokie_93
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About right mate, tbf we looked much better at the weekend without being great. Middlesborough were terrible...
We're not beating the teams above use, we beat City & United last year but this year we're getting no way near them. Just hoping we can push on and finish above West Brom
Dan2501
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Not really true. Arsenal generated £345m in turnover according to their last accounts, Chelsea £319m, City generated £345m. Initial investment may have come from a sugar daddy, but they're now generating around the same amount of money as Arsenal from "footballing activities".
The difference of £30m is the gate revenue they rip off their loyal fans with and yet don't give them anything back to put in their web encrusted cabinet/s :smirk:
Our TV money is greater than theirs, no doubt because of the successes we have achieved, our commercial revenue is greater than theirs, no doubt because of the successes we have achieved, so, just based on those 2 key factors (but there's many others) of a business model, if you invest in your product and make it successful you yield the returns, if you're not as successful (silverware), you rip your fans off for the difference, but, if you're not going to invest in your product or even turn up to watch it and even have the audacity to charge it millions every year, why rip your fans off to increase a turnover you're not going to use to strengthen your ambition :mmm:
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sawtooth
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You cant get away from the fact that Chelsea were broke and Roman and his Billions turned the club around and got them to where they are now. Its irrelevant that they make good money now through football related activities. Its all been made possible through Russian Oil money. Without it Chelsea would probably be in the championship now.
Its a sham and I personally do not acknowledge any of their achievements since 2003.
I might even start publishing my own league table but with Chelsea and Man City removed. Do that for the past 12 years and Liverpool would have won a league title or two as well.
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about as well as Arsenal have played against a big side since this game last year lol, shame it cant happen before its too late and the tie is dead and buried
fair bit of protesting about Wenger pre game it seems too
fair bit of protesting about Wenger pre game it seems too
sawtooth
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A mate of mine didn't go to the game as way of protest. I respect his decision but I don't agree with it.
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