And, we're off.....2016/17

[Dan2501]

Some seriously good players have come through Chelsea's academy. They're maybe not proven in the PL yet but certainly elsewhere in Europe.

Andreas Christensen has been excellent in defence for Wolfsburg since he moved there on loan;
Bertrand Traore is tearing it up in the Eredivise on loan
Tomas Kalas is a talented defender that has played key parts for Middlesborough and Fulham in the last 2 years
Jeffrey Bruma is a consistent part of Holland's national team and a first teamer for Ajax
Patrick Van Aanholt is a proven PL left-back, has performed very well for Sunderland and was just signed by Palace for £14m,
Gokhan Tore is a Turkish international and currently on loan at West Ham
Ryan Bertrand is currently performing very well for Southampton
Fabio Borini is an established PL striker for Sunderland
Nathaniel Chalobah is seriously talented and could easily become a top PL midfielder
Tammy Abraham is ripping it up in the Championship this year

Other than John Terry none of them have broken through and made careers at Chelsea as of yet, but they've produced some top young talent at their academy and I'd be surprised if the likes of Christensen, Traore, Loftus-Cheek, Chalobah and Abraham don't feature for Chelsea in the very near future. Chalobah and Abraham are incredibly exciting talents, not just for Chelsea but for England as well.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

What's the score with Loftus Cheek? I know he was highly rated but I have not heard his name mentioned this season. Is he just collecting splinters?

Was rumoured to be on his way to Brighton on loan or sold but stayed as was supposed to get more chances due to Oscar leaving - but still mainly sitting on the bench.'

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Fish - Great news. Next question, how many of the players from the 8 in a row have actually made it at A/ Chelsea, B/ elsewhere in the PL?

Not a pop, okay a bit of one, but Chelsea consistently fail to bring players through despite this success. What are they doing wrong, why can they not make the transition?

Since they won it in 2009/10 21 Youth players graduated to the 1st team Squad of which 5 are still there,
The 21 included people like Huth, Van Aarholt, Bertrand and Kakuta.

Some quality players in the list.

Your lucky I've got 4hrs to kill sat in the hospital :whoo:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Some seriously good players have come through Chelsea's academy. They're maybe not proven in the PL yet but certainly elsewhere in Europe.

Andreas Christensen has been excellent in defence for Wolfsburg since he moved there on loan;
Bertrand Traore is tearing it up in the Eredivise on loan
Tomas Kalas is a talented defender that has played key parts for Middlesborough and Fulham in the last 2 years
Jeffrey Bruma is a consistent part of Holland's national team and a first teamer for Ajax
Patrick Van Aanholt is a proven PL left-back, has performed very well for Sunderland and was just signed by Palace for £14m,
Gokhan Tore is a Turkish international and currently on loan at West Ham
Ryan Bertrand is currently performing very well for Southampton
Fabio Borini is an established PL striker for Sunderland
Nathaniel Chalobah is seriously talented and could easily become a top PL midfielder
Tammy Abraham is ripping it up in the Championship this year

Other than John Terry none of them have broken through and made careers at Chelsea as of yet, but they've produced some top young talent at their academy and I'd be surprised if the likes of Christensen, Traore, Loftus-Cheek, Chalobah and Abraham don't feature for Chelsea in the very near future. Chalobah and Abraham are incredibly exciting talents, not just for Chelsea but for England as well.

Bit of poetic licence there is Regards "developing" the player

All of those players bar Abraham have come up from other clubs Academy's then for Chelsea to buy them and then it looks like send them out on loan to clubs all over Europe.

Those players then continue their education at those clubs and will then be sold on so I don't think they are actually being developed by Chelsea as such - same with other clubs as well.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Since they won it in 2009/10 21 Youth players graduated to the 1st team Squad of which 5 are still there,
The 21 included people like Huth, Van Aarholt, Bertrand and Kakuta.

Some quality players in the list.

Your lucky I've got 4hrs to kill sat in the hospital :whoo:

I'll be expecting some feisty posts as the afternoon goes on. Sitting in a hospital does nothing for the spirits.

Some tenuous claims given out. As LP mentions, they are mostly farmed out. Anyway, Borini established PL striker for Sunderland. He can't get in the Sunderland team and they are going down.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I'll be expecting some feisty posts as the afternoon goes on. Sitting in a hospital does nothing for the spirits.

Some tenuous claims given out. As LP mentions, they are mostly farmed out. Anyway, Borini established PL striker for Sunderland. He can't get in the Sunderland team and they are going down.

How many other teams are any diferent though, given a choice would you develop Tony Hibbert or buy Azpilacueta.
We're good at bringing youth through and have won nowt for 21 years.
No PL Club except Man Utd in the very early days have nutured kids to 1st team players.
It's just an excuse to have a pop at Chelsea by some, Clubs spend half a billion to win nowt over 10 years!!

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I'm not arguing against the Chelsea approach. It works for them and whilst they are probably the worst offender many other big teams are not far behind. Teams like Everton and Southampton have genuinely brought players through but that is partly out of necessity not choice. I hope that doesn't change but we will see. I raised this on this occasion as Fish was cheering Chelsea's success. He is entitled to but it is pretty meaningless to me unless they actually do something with those players coming through. They are hollow victories if the players don't go on to become first team players.

 

[Dan2501]

Farmed out or not, they still go through Chelsea's academy at 14/15/16 and then get loaned out at 18/19 until they're deemed ready or not, and if not sold, normally for a big profit. Seems a good system to me.

As for Borini, yeah, Sunderland are going down, but not really true that he's not playing. Played 90 minutes 5 games in a row between Dec and Jan and has only not featured in 1 game in the last 9 gameweeks.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

He might be on the pitch but fans may argue if he is playing or not :rofl:. 1 goal so far this year.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I'm not arguing against the Chelsea approach. It works for them and whilst they are probably the worst offender many other big teams are not far behind. Teams like Everton and Southampton have genuinely brought players through but that is partly out of necessity not choice. I hope that doesn't change but we will see. I raised this on this occasion as Fish was cheering Chelsea's success. He is entitled to but it is pretty meaningless to me unless they actually do something with those players coming through. They are hollow victories if the players don't go on to become first team players.

We've done well as have other teams, but how many youth players have had years and years spent on them with no return, maybe the Chelsea way is a better financial model, better off getting some cash off a Borini type who didn't make the grade at Chelsea, but got them some return on investment.

Dan, Borini's no more than a journeyman.

 

[Dan2501]

Wasn't trying to say Borini's good, but he is an established premier league player.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Wasn't trying to say Borini's good, but he is an established premier league player.

OK mate, loose description

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Farmed out or not, they still go through Chelsea's academy at 14/15/16 and then get loaned out at 18/19 until they're deemed ready or not, and if not sold, normally for a big profit. Seems a good system to me.

As for Borini, yeah, Sunderland are going down, but not really true that he's not playing. Played 90 minutes 5 games in a row between Dec and Jan and has only not featured in 1 game in the last 9 gameweeks.

A lot of the players you mentioned aren't going through the Academy at those ages - they are being bought around the age 16/17/18 then go out on loan within months some of them hardly touching the Academy some one season.

Most get sold for a bit of profit so financially it works for them - pay big fees for kids and then look for a profit when they have played well on loan.

De Bruyne an example - made the club £11mil and along with others have no doubt made the club a bit of money

We have done the same when Rafa as manager - a lot of kids came in at the ages of 16/17 , we won a couple of youth cups the players went on loan and then got bought - small profit but we as a club didn't really develop them same with Chelsea didn't really develop the players.

Looking at most of the top clubs not many actually develop all the way through from youth football - Arsenal grabbed loads of kids from Spain and France early 00's. City developed a good number of players but that stopped when the money arrived

But looking at the Academies now a lot more seem to be English/British players within those academies and a lot seem to be through the ranks so I reckon over the next decade a few more will come through - Abraham is a perfect example for Chelsea , we have Woodburn and Alexender Arnold , Rashford at Man Utd. For the England fans it could be a good time in the next decade

 

[Lord Tyrion]

OK mate, loose description

What he said ^^^^

 

[Blue in Munich]

I'd sworn off this thread because of the amount of cobblers posted but I can't let Burnley's gesture with the mascots go without comment, fantastic to see, both the gesture & the fans reaction. :thup:

 

[fundy]

This has been done to death, I can't be arsed with it...

but its ok for you to do to death your views on Arsenal, Wenger etc?

 

[Papas1982]

I'd sworn off this thread because of the amount of cobblers posted but I can't let Burnley's gesture with the mascots go without comment, fantastic to see, both the gesture & the fans reaction. :thup:

Just had to google what they'd done. Apparently athletico Madrid did it earlier this year. Nice gesture. Hope they're all season ticket holders too.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I'd sworn off this thread because of the amount of cobblers posted but I can't let Burnley's gesture with the mascots go without comment, fantastic to see, both the gesture & the fans reaction. :thup:

Just seen what they did, brilliant

 

[fundy]

have to feel for the loyal fan of 50 years being forced to walk out with Joey Barton mind!

 

[Fish]

but its ok for you to do to death your views on Arsenal, Wenger etc?

Yes, because I was/am only commentating on the current situation and matches and in a constructive manner.