And, we're off.....2016/17

[richy]

Question for the Arsenal fans. It's been reported that Sanchez won't sign a new contract until he knows what Wenger is doing. Is he saying if Wenger signs one he won't? He seems pretty unhappy at present so surely he doesn't want to stay if Wenger does as it'll be more the same.

Also, is he even that good? Barcelona didn't want him and the only other club in for him was Liverpool. Hardly a ringing endorsement.

 

[Fish]

Question for the Arsenal fans. It's been reported that Sanchez won't sign a new contract until he knows what Wenger is doing. Is he saying if Wenger signs one he won't? He seems pretty unhappy at present so surely he doesn't want to stay if Wenger does as it'll be more the same.

Also, is he even that good? Barcelona didn't want him and the only other club in for him was Liverpool. Hardly a ringing endorsement.

The recent body language speaks volumes IMO. I think he looks good in a poor side and stands out currently, I think he is a skilful player and has an eye for goal, he may well do better with more quality around him, but it could be a risk?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

The recent body language speaks volumes IMO. I think he looks good in a poor side and stands out currently, I think he is a skilful player and has an eye for goal, he may well do better with more quality around him, but it could be a risk?

Agreed the problems are more than Sanchez, the video from the end of the match is disgraceful, Ox and Bellerin walk towards their own fans, every other player walks straight off, Bellerin only goes 20yds clapping then turns around, Ox goes all the way to the fence on his own clapping the fans who made the journey, just what those fans must of been thinking? No fight, no spirit.

 

[richy]

The recent body language speaks volumes IMO. I think he looks good in a poor side and stands out currently, I think he is a skilful player and has an eye for goal, he may well do better with more quality around him, but it could be a risk?

Would a top side come in for him though?

He isn't exactly carrying the team like some players can and do. Gerrard for example.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Would a top side come in for him though?

He isn't exactly carrying the team like some players can and do. Gerrard for example.

Sanchez is brilliant- for me he would fit into all the top sides , his stock went down a bit when at Barce because he didn't play week in week out

He isn't a central lone striker and would be perfect in a front three

 

[richy]

Sanchez is brilliant- for me he would fit into all the top sides , his stock went down a bit when at Barce because he didn't play week in week out

He isn't a central lone striker and would be perfect in a front three

I get what you're saying but why isn't he taking this Arsenal side by the scruff of the neck and making things happen? I'm not saying they should be beating teams like Bayern but I think if he truly is that good he should be doing more than he is.

Maybe he's just given up?

 

[Fish]

Would a top side come in for him though?

He isn't exactly carrying the team like some players can and do. Gerrard for example.

I would say Giroud has carried Arsenal more this season than Sanchez when coming on and getting those essential goals when needed, which without would see Arsenal at least 3-4 places lower than they are now! There are no natural partnerships in the team or squad, just a load of individuals who flit in and out of form!

I liken him to Lukaku, a standout striker/goal scorer for an above average team/club, maybe he is suited to Arsenal then :smirk:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I get what you're saying but why isn't he taking this Arsenal side by the scruff of the neck and making things happen? I'm not saying they should be beating teams like Bayern but I think if he truly is that good he should be doing more than he is.

Maybe he's just given up?

I think your last line sums it up - hasn't given up or such but just think he has had enough.

Remember the game against Bournemouth when Giroud equalised with 3 mins to go Giroud too busy celebrating whilst Sanchez desperate to get thebgame going again to get a winner - the look on Sanchez face says it all

 

[richy]

I would say Giroud has carried Arsenal more this season than Sanchez when coming on and getting those essential goals when needed, which without would see Arsenal at least 3-4 places lower than they are now! There are no natural partnerships in the team or squad, just a load of individuals who flit in and out of form!

I liken him to Lukaku, a standout striker/goal scorer for an above average team/club, maybe he is suited to Arsenal then :smirk:

But at the beginning of the season people were saying this was the best Arsenal squad in years and possibly the best squad in the league.

Maybe if Wenger had stepped down 1-2 seasons ago they'd be in a healthier position than they are now?

 

[Hobbit]

Not a great result for Arsenal but where are the other British teams in Europe. 4th in the league and one win away from second. Yes they seem unambitious in the marketplace but I doubt the players are unambitious on the pitch.

Credit to Bayern for doing a job on them, and maybe the whole board and manager need to have a look at themselves.

For those baiting Sawtooth I'm sure he'll be along soon to defend the messiah.

 

[richy]

I think your last line sums it up - hasn't given up or such but just think he has had enough.

Remember the game against Bournemouth when Giroud equalised with 3 mins to go Giroud too busy celebrating whilst Sanchez desperate to get thebgame going again to get a winner - the look on Sanchez face says it all

Then surely if he's had enough of how things are at present he won't sign a new contract if Wenger does?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Then surely if he's had enough of how things are at present he won't sign a new contract if Wenger does?

His current contract has 18 months to go, so if nothing happens in the summer, both he and the club will have some big decisions next Jan.

 

[Fish]

I think Sanchez is more hungry and doesn't like the attitude of the other players, this might not be isolated to just match days but all through training and the whole Arsenal set-up (clubs lack of ambition).

He see's himself working hard and making every effort, but I don't think he see's that from his fellow teammates! Then he see's no strength in depth on the bench and no signings, I think he's had enough and the summer can't come quick enough for him.

#GroundHogDay

 

[richy]

I think Sanchez is more hungry and doesn't like the attitude of the other players, this might not be isolated to just match days but all through training and the whole Arsenal set-up (clubs lack of ambition).

He see's himself working hard and making every effort, but I don't think he see's that from his fellow teammates! Then he see's no strength in depth on the bench and no signings, I think he's had enough and the summer can't come quick enough for him.

#GroundHogDay

This is bang on. His attitude is miles from the rest of the squad. I honestly think some of them are happy just ticking over.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Not a great result for Arsenal but where are the other British teams in Europe. 4th in the league and one win away from second. Yes they seem unambitious in the marketplace but I doubt the players are unambitious on the pitch.

Credit to Bayern for doing a job on them, and maybe the whole board and manager need to have a look at themselves.

For those baiting Sawtooth I'm sure he'll be along soon to defend the messiah.

As others have said they aren't bad players, just no natural leaders, it's ok Wenger sticking to his principles, but what message does it send out to players and fans when you don't put out your best 11 for your biggest game of the season so far.
Even Martin Keown who very rarely says anything negative about Wenger was very critical of him last night.

 

[Fish]

This is bang on. His attitude is miles from the rest of the squad. I honestly think some of them are happy just ticking over.

I think all the other players get home to their mansions, crack open a bottle bubbly, tell the wife they've had a hard day/night and quickly all is forgotten. Sanchez gets back, kicks the cat, moans about his dinner, necks a couple of Stella's and sets upon the missus.

He's passionate and it shows, I don't see that in any other Arsenal shirt.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

I think all the other players get home to their mansions, crack open a bottle bubbly, tell the wife they've had a hard day/night and quickly all is forgotten. Sanchez gets back, kicks the cat, moans about his dinner, necks a couple of Stella's and sets upon the missus.

He's passionate and it shows, I don't see that in any other Arsenal shirt.

I agree. Sanchez is the only player who shows passion and spirit in the Arsenal camp. I do wonder how Klopp would use him....maybe an extra £2 on Arsenals release clause price would satisfy Wenger and the board

 

[Slime]

I think all the other players get home to their mansions, crack open a bottle bubbly, tell the wife they've had a hard day/night and quickly all is forgotten. Sanchez gets back, kicks the cat, moans about his dinner, necks a couple of Stella's and sets upon the missus.

He's passionate and it shows, I don't see that in any other Arsenal shirt.

So why oh why is he not the captain?
The game finished last night with Gibbs wearing the armband, GIBBS!
That just about sums up Arsenal's woes.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Gibbs is someone I don't get. Frequently injured, not good enough for a top 6 team. A classic West Ham, C. Palace type player. He should have been rooted out and replaced a while ago. He was captain at one stage last night, blimey.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

I think all the other players get home to their mansions, crack open a bottle bubbly, tell the wife they've had a hard day/night and quickly all is forgotten. Sanchez gets back, kicks the cat, moans about his dinner, necks a couple of Stella's and sets upon the missus.

He's passionate and it shows, I don't see that in any other Arsenal shirt.

Where do you get this information from Fish? Not questioning it, just wondering if we're all possible of reading too much into 90 minutes on a tv.