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If that was the actual quote and his own words you’d have a point.

“I try not to do tricks because I don’t want to be caught with it. It’s a risk.
“It’s a style of play and I think that’s the way Liverpool want to play as well. You’ve got to accept where mistakes will happen and it’s about not making the next one.
“It’s all about managing the game and not making it again in the same game I’d say. Look at Ederson at City, Guardiola puts a lot of faith in him doing it and mistakes happen all over the pitch - the goalkeeper mistake is always a crucial one or gets talked about a lot.
“For me, I’m going to try not to put myself in that position to make those mistakes.. You don’t want to get too comfortable if you’re winning and start trying to be a No 10 player.”

He’s still imo pointing out faults of his opponents. I remember when there used to be a keepers union. They’d all defend each other blindly. But the rant I recall most was after we won the penalty shoot out. He would have us believe that it was entirely his skill that had done it. I’d like to just see him keep quiet, but appreciate in this day and age the press are always after quotes etc.

I think it’s just the way it’s become with English keepers in the last decade. It used to be you had to have a few years proving you were better than the old guy between the sticks. You’d start for England at say 26 or so. By the time you’re making mistakes you’ve had a 6 year career which earns you a bit of leeway and on comes the next. Now they start at 22 (with less experience hence more prone to mistake) and are hounded our before they even reach their peak. Same thing happened to Robinson and Hart. Both lost their heads long before they should have.
 
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He’s still imo pointing out faults of his opponents. I remember when there used to be a keepers union. They’d all defend each other blindly. But the rant I recall most was after we won the penalty shoot out. He would have us believe that it was entirely his skill that had done it. I’d like to just see him keep quiet, but appreciate in this day and age the press are always after quotes etc.

I think it’s just the way it’s become with English keepers in the last decade. It used to be you had to have a few years proving you were better than the old guy between the sticks. You’d start for England at say 26 or so. By the time you’re making mistakes you’ve had a 6 year career which earns you a bit of leeway and on comes the next. Now they start at 22 (with less experience hence more prone to mistake) and are hounded our before they even reach their peak. Same thing happened to Robinson and Hart. Both lost their heads long before they should have.
Maybe emotions were running high after the penalty shoot out, it’s on the Worlds biggest stage. You claimed he keeps running his mouth, he didn’t slag any keeper off, read the interview before judging the lad and believing what other media outlets twist.
No Everton fan on here has claimed he’s this that or the other, he’s currently Englands 1st choice keeper and for £25 million he’s a bargain, saved us far more than he’s cost.
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Maybe emotions were running high after the penalty shoot out, it’s on the Worlds biggest stage. You claimed he keeps running his mouth, he didn’t slag any keeper off, read the interview before judging the lad and believing what other media outlets twist.
No Everton fan on here has claimed he’s this that or the other, he’s currently Englands 1st choice keeper and for £20 odd million he’s a bargain, saved us far more than he’s cost.
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Where did I say he had cost you points?
I actually argued that the result of the mistakes is irrelevant and pure fluke whether they cost points or not.

I agree emotions were running high, and he’s young. Doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen though. I’m sure we all have different views on different players that for some can be excused by one reason or another. I simply stated why I’m not his biggest fan. I think he’s the best England have, just don’t think he is all that just yet.

For me, he’s a bit like David James at Portsmouth. Will do enough good that the odd mistake will be forgiven as he will clearly save more than he costs, one mistake may simply mean 6th or 8th in the league, realistically that doesn’t matter. But at top level, one mistake can be the difference between 4/5th. Or winning a cup final.

I genuinely hope and believe that he will improve and iron out little mistakes, imo I think he still plays too much football, but that’s likely down to being told too. But as I saod earlier, my fear is that the press will hound him and he won’t even be playing for England once he’s 30.
 
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I don’t think PickforWhat I would totally ageee about is the hype surrounding Pickford has gone way ott due to the last World Cup. He seems to believe he is the second coming. It’s nit the first time he’s run his mouth either. He did the same after World Cup penalty shoot out too.
Where did I say he had cost you points?
I actually argued that the result of the mistakes is irrelevant and pure fluke whether they cost points or not.

I agree emotions were running high, and he’s young. Doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen though. I’m sure we all have different views on different players that for some can be excused by one reason or another. I simply stated why I’m not his biggest fan. I think he’s the best England have, just don’t think he is all that just yet.

For me, he’s a bit like David James at Portsmouth. Will do enough good that the odd mistake will be forgiven as he will clearly save more than he costs, one mistake may simply mean 6th or 8th in the league, realistically that doesn’t matter. But at top level, one mistake can be the difference between 4/5th. Or winning a cup final.

I genuinely hope and believe that he will improve and iron out little mistakes, imo I think he still plays too much football, but that’s likely down to being told too. But as I saod earlier, my fear is that the press will hound him and he won’t even be playing for England once he’s 30.
Just show me once were since the WC he has ran his mouth or claimed anything.
 
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You think he didn’t call the other keepers out during that interview. I think he did.

We don’t agree and that’s fine. But that’s the two occasions I recall.
You still haven’t read the interview then, that’s fine, :rolleyes:
 
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Ah well. I tried.

Incidentally, which games, outside of the derby, has Pickford cost points for club and country?

I believe it was West Ham where he passed the ball directly to Noble who then passed it to someone to put it into an empty net , there was the failed Cruyff turn but that didn’t cost his team there was a good analysis just before the WC where they were judging the merits of the three GK,s and they highlight a number of costly mistakes from “England number one”
 

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You still haven’t read the interview then, that’s fine, :rolleyes:

Yes I have. In it, he mentions the other players, then Says he doesn’t want to do that sort of thing. Therefor implying he doesn’t want to make the mistakes they do. Just because he then says he understands that mistakes will happen due to them being told to play that way. Doesn’t change the fact that he’s bought up other keepers errors. Something that goes against the old keepers union.

So as I say, we have different opinions on a subject, which is fine. But don’t imply That my decision is based on a predisposition to not like him. As that simply isn’t the case.
 
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Yes I have. In it, he mentions the other players, then Says he doesn’t want to do that sort of thing. Therefor implying he doesn’t want to make the mistakes they do. Just because he then says he understands that mistakes will happen due to them being told to play that way. Doesn’t change the fact that he’s bought up other keepers errors. Something that goes against the old keepers union.

So as I say, we have different opinions on a subject, which is fine. But don’t imply That my decision is based on a predisposition to not like him. As that simply isn’t the case.
Funny how the interview got NO reaction when it was published back in Sept, no other keeper has mentioned it or rebuked him.
All of a sudden you read it as he’s having a go at other keepers.
Yep, your running his mouth comment certainly implies to me you have an agenda.
 

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Funny how the interview got NO reaction when it was published back in Sept, no other keeper has mentioned it or rebuked him.
All of a sudden you read it as he’s having a go at other keepers.
Yep, your running his mouth comment certainly implies to me you have an agenda.
Sorry, I’ll refrain from criticising Everton players from now on......:rolleyes:

What with me being an England and Saints fan. My opinion on a young English keeper is obviously based on some deep hidden dislike of Everton........
 
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Sorry, I’ll refrain from criticising Everton players from now on......:rolleyes:

What with me being an England and Saints fan. My opinion on a young English keeper is obviously based on some deep hidden dislike of Everton........
Justify your running his mouth comment, criticise as much as you like, but be honest and base it on facts rather than media spin.
Funny how Alison’s mistake is spun to bring other keepers into it!
Have a google of some LPool (supposed) fans thoughts about him after they battered him and his errors in the CL games.
 

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Justify your running his mouth comment, criticise as much as you like, but be honest and base it on facts rather than media spin.
Funny how Alison’s mistake is spun to bring other keepers into it!
Have a google of some LPool (supposed) fans thoughts about him after they battered him and his errors in the CL games.
Paul I’ve justified it. You don’t like it, that’s fine. But I’ll not waste anymore time repeating it.

I don’t need to google Liverpool fans behaviour against a rivals player to from an opinion on something either. Tit for tat on either side makes no difference to my opinion.

I recall saints fans treating Ben Thatcher as a hero for basically assaulting mendes years ago. It happens.
 
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Paul I’ve justified it. You don’t like it, that’s fine. But I’ll not waste anymore time repeating it.

I don’t need to google Liverpool fans behaviour against a rivals player to from an opinion on something either. Tit for tat on either side makes no difference to my opinion.

I recall saints fans treating Ben Thatcher as a hero for basically assaulting mendes years ago. It happens.
One sensible interview, justified as running his mouth off. :censored:
You compared him to Alison hence me mentioning him! what’s Alison ever done? Good start to the season, but even their fans say it’s more down to the defence. Cost 3 times as much!
 

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Maybe you need to bring back Moyes to get you that mid table because it’s not going to happen with Pellgrini - MoTM awards and someone looking solid doesn’t give the team three points. At the end of the day it’s no change from last week - another defeat and rooted to the bottom of the table. It was a very poor Arsenal team today looking for their feet yet but they managed to grind out the three points - West Ham can’t do it and have them as one of the teams for relegation

Classic..
 

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A few lads at work are Hammers and they’re starting to get nervous. They wanted you to have a hiccup against Fulham, (now Burnley). Just so you’re back On form against us (Saints).

its all going to come crashing down soon, we cant keep this winning streak up. Watford are too good a side for us to turn up and play as we have been. Very open and just hitting on the old counter. if we can get a draw off watford thats a good result and I see you beating us now you got rid of your deadwood (hughes)

just nice to see us do well after so many writing us off after 4 games under MP....

on a side note fulham (if you see homer) jezzz CR has his work cut out with that defence... anderson injured 2 of them nutmegging one in the process.. antonios goal was a crime against good defending the time he had in the box!
 
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Classic..

Seriously ? You go dragging back through the thread to pick out a prediction ? Christ there is prob hundreds of posts of people predicting stuff about people’s teams but it’s just a prediction - I don’t expect many sad people go back and drag up posts like that - even more so when there is a long way left in the season just yet - imagine how you would look if it all came crashing down.
 
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