And, we’re off.......2018/2019

[Deleted member 16999]

Having played football at a good level as a player going forward you should know that a keeper flying out of goal,or
even coming out of his area at full speed he is to be avoided at all costs.

Having only seen MOTD this morning my thoughts are a red for Vardy and Pickford.

Vardy was over the top and out of control imo.

Pickford out of control out of his penalty area,and i do believe he followed through with a 2nd movement.

How is he out of control? Especially when you’re saying a 2nd movement is deliberate!

 

[Deleted member 16999]

What Pickford should have done is ensure his actions don’t harm the player - being accidental doesn’t stop it being dangerous - he could have chested the ball then if Ings made contact the foul would have been given - Pickford kicked a high ball and his follow through put studs on the back of a player causing injury , if Pickford can’t clear it without having his studs high then he risks a dangerous tackle - two outfield players doing the same and it’s a red card all day


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Yep he is control and certainly not reckless at all

Top trolling :rofl: a still from an incident that happened in less than a second. :rofl:

 

[pbrown7582]

Absolutely convinced some people on this forum have no idea about football.

:thup:

 

[pokerjoke]

How is he out of control? Especially when you’re saying a 2nd movement is deliberate!

Well quite simply hes flying through the air,try it mate i think you might see your out of control.
Imo he extends his leg which is quite easy to do.

As i said ive actually played football

 

[Deleted member 18588]

How is he out of control? Especially when you’re saying a 2nd movement is deliberate!

I think the relevant point under the laws as they now stand is that he is endangering an opponent.

Apparently intent or playing the ball are no longer factors.

I don't necessarily agree with the new laws but as they are now I would say that Pickford should have been sent off.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I think the relevant point under the laws as they now stand is that he is endangering an opponent.

Apparently intent or playing the ball are no longer factors.

I don't necessarily agree with the new laws but as they are now I would say that Pickford should have been sent off.

Which was why I initially raised the point, I don’t think he is anyway out of control or reckless in coming out to clear the ball.
If the Ref had deemed a 2nd movement as intentional then I have no issue with a red card being shown.

 

[Orikoru]

What Pickford should have done is ensure his actions don’t harm the player - being accidental doesn’t stop it being dangerous - he could have chested the ball then if Ings made contact the foul would have been given - Pickford kicked a high ball and his follow through put studs on the back of a player causing injury , if Pickford can’t clear it without having his studs high then he risks a dangerous tackle - two outfield players doing the same and it’s a red card all day


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Yep he is control and certainly not reckless at all

Chesting it would have increased the chances of Ings nicking the ball and scoring, after which Pickford would have been absolutely crucified. Another angle I've not even touched upon is that Ings knows he is second favourite to get to the ball, Pickford is always getting there first but Ings still put himself in harm's way.

 

[Hobbit]

Rubbish.
Pickford is in total control and is proved by the fact he cleared the ball with full contact, therefore never out of control or dangerous, it’s a man game!
It’s the follow on from that that is questionable, Ings turns away as Pickford clears the ball, Pickfords boot on returning to the ground as the ball was in the air he catches Ings.
IF Pickford has intentionally made a second move into Ings he fully deserves a red card for violent conduct.

IF Pickford has unintentionally caught Ings then that’s exactly what it is, 2 players coming together going for a ball.

You can be in full control, and get the ball first but be guilty of dangerous play. You don't have to make a second move.

I've not seen it, so can't comment on whether Pickford was guilty or otherwise but it is a misnomer to think just because someone has got the ball cleanly they aren't guilty of dangerous play.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Which was why I initially raised the point, I don’t think he is anyway out of control or reckless in coming out to clear the ball.
If the Ref had deemed a 2nd movement as intentional then I have no issue with a red card being shown.

Intent is irrelevant (barmy I agree) it is all about his actions endangering an opponent.

It seemed pretty clear that Pickford did "endanger" Ings and, thus, it should have been a red card.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Another angle I've not even touched upon is that Ings knows he is second favourite to get to the ball, Pickford is always getting there first but Ings still put himself in harm's way.

I raised this about 5 pages ago but I reckon I must be on a whole load of people's ignore list as it was not picked up . It is not intelligent from Ings.

 

[Orikoru]

Intent is irrelevant (barmy I agree) it is all about his actions endangering an opponent.

It seemed pretty clear that Pickford did "endanger" Ings and, thus, it should have been a red card.

By this token, all bicycle kicks should be outlawed. What a boring game it would be if players were unable to ever raise their boots above knee height.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

I raised this about 5 pages ago but I reckon I must be on a whole load of people's ignore list as it was not picked up . It is not intelligent from Ings.

Surely as a striker he has to go for it?
As I alluded to earlier, if it was an outfield player who had done this would the outcome have been the same? If not then why not?

 

[pbrown7582]

By this token, all bicycle kicks should be outlawed. What a boring game it would be if players were unable to ever raise their boots above knee height.

but thats the current state of the rules of the game.

 

[Hobbit]

Another angle I've not even touched upon is that Ings knows he is second favourite to get to the ball, Pickford is always getting there first but Ings still put himself in harm's way.

I raised this about 5 pages ago but I reckon I must be on a whole load of people's ignore list as it was not picked up . It is not intelligent from Ings.

Sometimes you know you're going to get there second but you can 'pull' a foul by putting yourself in harm's way. I've done it on occasion and won a free kick. Nowt wrong with it in that respect.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

By this token, all bicycle kicks should be outlawed. What a boring game it would be if players were unable to ever raise their boots above knee height.

And some overhead kicks have been penalised.

Them's the rules. Not saying I agree with them but they should be applied consistently

 

[Deleted member 18121]

Just to stick an idea in the middle of the debates.....this is the exact reason that even VAR will never get all decisions "correct" as people have different interpretations of incidents.

 

[Orikoru]

Just to stick an idea in the middle of the debates.....this is the exact reason that even VAR will never get all decisions "correct" as people have different interpretations of incidents.

You're right, I still think it would improve things though by giving the ref a better look at the incidents though. The only thing they'd have to watch out for is how slow motion tends to make things look worse or exaggerated. But yeah, it doesn't make everything black or white, we saw that in the world cup.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Surely as a striker he has to go for it?

I don't think he does. It is not a 50-50, it was a 60-40. Not good odds. He could have run towards Pickford and then veered off to save a clattering. He wasn't going to get there first so why put yourself in harms way?

Sometimes you know you're going to get there second but you can 'pull' a foul by putting yourself in harm's way. I've done it on occasion and won a free kick. Nowt wrong with it in that respect.

Fair point but you are choosing to take the hit. History suggests the keeper will not get called if he gets there first. He only gets the foul if he touches it past the keeper. He wasn't close to that so he was only ever going to get hit and not get a foul. Not smart. A man with his injury record needs to be playing with his head more.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Just to stick an idea in the middle of the debates.....this is the exact reason that even VAR will never get all decisions "correct" as people have different interpretations of incidents.

Agreed, but it will get more decisions right. Offsides, tick, pulling in the penalty area was virtually eliminated by the end of the World Cup, the dive to gain a penalty that gets overturned, tick. There is more to gain via VAR than there is to lose. The World Cup ran it far better than the PL, or FA or whoever trialled it here last season.

 

[MegaSteve]

Well, I am beginning to think there may be a few Green Jersey Union members posting on this forum ...