Region3
Ryder Cup Winner
What was the question?
LMAO!!
I just thought I'd try explaining it a slightly different way.
Is it roughly right Bob?
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LMAO!!
I just thought I'd try explaining it a slightly different way.
Is it roughly right Bob?
richart
Major Champion
What was the question?
I thought i was answering the chips thread.
I have to agree with Crawford. I find it hard enough trying to get the shots going predominantly straight or moving the same way everytime. Whilst it would be nice to move the ball both ways at will, it is one (two if you count a draw and a fade) to worry about. I have a rough idea on how to get the ball moving left to right and vice versa should I feel brave enough to try the shot (I have more chance of hooking than ever slicing) but would only consider that in extreme cases (need to make a par at the last say and blocked off the tee).
Trying to keep the game as simple as possible and focussing on keeping it straight and in play will surely give more satisfaction and better results
bobmac
Major Champion
I'll type this slowly as I know some of you cant read very quickly
If you want to move the ball left to right (for a right hander) to land in the middle of the green, aim your body AND your club face left of the green.
Then swing out to in.
That will create the side spin to move the ball in the air to land on the green.
The more you swing out to in the more side spin you'll get the more you have to aim left.
If you open the face as well. the ball will start where the face is pointing (middle of the green) and then move more to the right.
Everyone ok with that?
If you want to move the ball left to right (for a right hander) to land in the middle of the green, aim your body AND your club face left of the green.
Then swing out to in.
That will create the side spin to move the ball in the air to land on the green.
The more you swing out to in the more side spin you'll get the more you have to aim left.
If you open the face as well. the ball will start where the face is pointing (middle of the green) and then move more to the right.
Everyone ok with that?
richart
Major Champion
I'll type this slowly as I know some of you cant read very quickly
If you want to move the ball left to right (for a right hander) to land in the middle of the green, aim your body AND your club face left of the green.
Then swing out to in.
That will create the side spin to move the ball in the air to land on the green.
The more you swing out to in the more side spin you'll get the more you have to aim left.
If you open the face as well. the ball will start where the face is pointing (middle of the green) and then move more to the right.
Everyone ok with that?
With you up to 'i'll type this slowly'.
kid2
Money List Winner
I completely agree with Craw's and your comments Homer but my goal is to try and find my natural shape and be comfident with it.....I know that its hard to hit a draw and fade but whats harder for alot including myself is that i have a pretty sound swing swing only to see your ball going in the wrong direction......Whether this be your body alignment or club face alignment.......Last night at the range when i opened my shoulders hips knees and feet to where i had my clubface aiming and swung along my feet it produced a left to right shape that was landing within a few yards of where the clubface pointed at address....
Now if someone could tell me that if i do this or do that my ball will travel on a certain path this would make the game far more enjoyable to me as i would be able to take out one side of the course and be confident about where my ball will land......
Iv stood on some tee's week in week out Paralell to what i think is my target and i could hit left right or straight down the
middle......
Swinger
Journeyman Pro
Does it matter which ball you use?
kid2
Money List Winner
I'll type this slowly as I know some of you cant read very quickly
If you want to move the ball left to right (for a right hander) to land in the middle of the green, aim your body AND your club face left of the green.
Then swing out to in.
That will create the side spin to move the ball in the air to land on the green.
The more you swing out to in the more side spin you'll get the more you have to aim left.
If you open the face as well. the ball will start where the face is pointing (middle of the green) and then move more to the right.
Everyone ok with that?
With you up to 'i'll type this slowly'.
Brilliant
Bob im really sorry about this but when you say left side of the green and out to in.....Am i addressing the ball with my shoulders hips and feet open in relation to the left side of the green so? And the club face at the left side of the green?
Robobum
Money List Winner
Why don't you set up with your alignment aids straihght down the middle of the practice ground, hit a sh!t load of balls with your natural swing and see what the predominant shape is, then take that to the course.
That will help you in your quest to take one side of the course out of play. If you do hit a couple of googlies which miss on the "wrong" side......that'll be because you're a 16 h'cap golfer.
You are trying to make this game an awful lot harder than is necessary.
That will help you in your quest to take one side of the course out of play. If you do hit a couple of googlies which miss on the "wrong" side......that'll be because you're a 16 h'cap golfer.
You are trying to make this game an awful lot harder than is necessary.
bobmac
Major Champion
Ok, imagine your body points left edge of the left hand bunker, the clubface points on a parallel line so right side of the bunker and the swingpath goes left of the bunker, the ball will start roughly right side of the bunker and move to the right.
The reason for this is the clubface although pointing left of the flag its pointing right of the swingpath creating the side spin
Farneyman
Tour Winner
So Kid where did you buy the sticks, could you not just have got a couple of bit of wavin pipe.
kid2
Money List Winner
Cheers Bob The pennies dropped now.....Took long enough didnt it
kid2
Money List Winner
15 euro's in the local shop Fabian.....They werent a wallet emptier so i said id splsh out
Losttheplot
Tour Rookie
Absolutely brilliant thread here!! I'm sorted now. Read bobs threads where he typed it slow and it went in
As for the enjoyment part of this that's been mentioned by homer and Crawford... The thing for me is I want to be able to shape the ball and manipulate it around the course at will. I think it adds to the enjoyment if you can do it. The thing that's kept me going on this thread is the fact that I didn't know 100% how to shape the ball properly. I had conflicting ways on how to do it and if I know the correct way then I can choose to do it if needed.
I think it's great when a playing partner says I'm going to just fade this into the back right of the green into the wind and he actually does it. It's great to watch and I want to he able to do this too.
As for the enjoyment part of this that's been mentioned by homer and Crawford... The thing for me is I want to be able to shape the ball and manipulate it around the course at will. I think it adds to the enjoyment if you can do it. The thing that's kept me going on this thread is the fact that I didn't know 100% how to shape the ball properly. I had conflicting ways on how to do it and if I know the correct way then I can choose to do it if needed.
I think it's great when a playing partner says I'm going to just fade this into the back right of the green into the wind and he actually does it. It's great to watch and I want to he able to do this too.
Bob will probably shat himself reading this post but last Sunday I played with a few guys in the start of our winter Sunday outings. One retired fella has had his hips replaced, he has developed an awful distance robbing pull fade. I mentioned to him to hit a few balls with his left foot slightly forward, closing the stance slightly. Hey presto, he started driving the ball grand again, he couldnt get over how easy that change was to use. Obviously there must be some other issues with his swing, Im no expert, but he was one happy camper. The extra distance achieved was startling considering he was only getting around 160-170 off the tee to begin with.
MashieNiblick
Tour Winner
I agree with Lost on this. I think trying to play different shots is all part of the fun. To be able to shape the ball is a skill that I want to learn and be able to pull off. Our 17th requires a big draw off the tee to have a reasonable shot at the green and it's fun to bomb one "round the corner", especially in 4BBB when I'm the low h'capper and it's sort of expected.
Think this is more what the game is about than which of the 57 different Fujibukiwatsisname shafts is best for my 92.783 mph swing.
Think this is more what the game is about than which of the 57 different Fujibukiwatsisname shafts is best for my 92.783 mph swing.
percy_layer
Challenge Tour Pro
Can i also add that with a clubface square to the target, hitting the ball as much as 1 dimple away from the centre of the face is equivalent to having the clubface 1 degree off target, causing the ball to move offline..........
Thus explaining the reason why some players hit slightly out to in with the face slightly open and getting a draw flight. They consistently hit their shots towards the toe end of the club.I can't remember off the top of my head the guy that did the research and testing but have it written down in my office if anyones desperate to know............
Thus explaining the reason why some players hit slightly out to in with the face slightly open and getting a draw flight. They consistently hit their shots towards the toe end of the club.I can't remember off the top of my head the guy that did the research and testing but have it written down in my office if anyones desperate to know............
Cog theory......
He says knowingly.......
haplesshacker
Money List Winner
I was watching an interesting programme last week about big bang theory, ie the something from nothing, verses the various other theories, ie a contracting universe that eventually exploded to create this one etc.
Anyway. It was easier to follow than this thread.
Anyway. It was easier to follow than this thread.
kid2
Money List Winner
I was watching an interesting programme last week about big bang theory, ie the something from nothing, verses the various other theories, ie a contracting universe that eventually exploded to create this one etc.
Anyway. It was easier to follow than this thread.
