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In my brief foray into Tour caddying I noticed a player looking into ‘my’ players bag on a par 3 tee and I briefly thought ‘should I be putting a towel over it’ … I very quickly realised I was grossly over-thinking things
 

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Decent caddies demonstrably save players multiple strokes per round, so yes, advice absolutely makes a difference.
As a matter of interest where has this been demonstrated?
For myself I think a caddie might save me the odd stroke on an unknown course. I'm sceptical that they would save me multiple strokes on my home course.
 

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As a matter of interest where has this been demonstrated?
For myself I think a caddie might save me the odd stroke on an unknown course. I'm sceptical that they would save me multiple strokes on my home course.
BIB - maybe not in a casual round, but in a high stakes competitive round a single error of judgement can result in multiple unnecessary shots and/or loss of hole. Make a few compounding errors as a consequence and the shots and lost holes can mount up significantly.

I can certainly see why having a caddie for rounds of most significance and consequence could be advantageous…not that I‘ve ever used one...but I know members who have in such circumstances.
 

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BIB - maybe not in a casual round, but in a high stakes competitive round a single error of judgement can result in multiple unnecessary shots and/or loss of hole. Make a few compounding errors as a consequence and the shots and lost holes can mount up significantly.

I can certainly see why having a caddie for rounds of most significance and consequence could be advantageous…not that I‘ve ever used one...but I know members who have in such circumstances.
Whenever people have this discussion it's always assumed the caddie knows what he's talking about. What if the caddie convinces you of a wrong move and actually costs you a couple of shots? Everyone makes mistakes.
 

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BIB - maybe not in a casual round, but in a high stakes competitive round a single error of judgement can result in multiple unnecessary shots and/or loss of hole. Make a few compounding errors as a consequence and the shots and lost holes can mount up significantly.

I can certainly see why having a caddie for rounds of most significance and consequence could be advantageous…not that I‘ve ever used one...but I know members who have in such circumstances.

The only people playing high stakes competitive golf of any significance or consequence will already have a caddie. Or know of someone they can trust to caddie for them.
 

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The only people playing high stakes competitive golf of any significance or consequence will already have a caddie. Or know of someone they can trust to caddie for them.
The point was whether there would be any advantage to having a caddie when playing your own course - casual prob not, but more significant comps or matches probably yes.
 

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The only people playing high stakes competitive golf of any significance or consequence will already have a caddie. Or know of someone they can trust to caddie for them.
Well, that all depends on where you draw the lines of high-stakes, significance and consequence but only those at the very top of the professional game can afford to employ full-time caddies. Most players use friends, family or random locals to carry their bag (often not caddies; sometimes not even golfers), who do not provide anything like the same service.
 

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Whenever people have this discussion it's always assumed the caddie knows what he's talking about. What if the caddie convinces you of a wrong move and actually costs you a couple of shots? Everyone makes mistakes.
The premise was "a decent caddie", so yes, there is the assumption that they know what they're doing.
 

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Theres alot of 'advice', thats actually 'information', things like yardages etc

If 99% of players got tour level 'advice' they would have neither the understanding nor the skill to use it. A + golfer at ours recently stopped using the 'Decade' system as it asked too much of his game. And to say hes above average is a mild understatement....

Amateurs giving each other 'advice' is rarely a good thing, and often hugley detrimental, see any thread titled "at the driving range i heard....."

I think its a good thing to make it a penalty, its not a team sport so collusion between competitors should be guarded against, especially for fairness. Imagine you were in a group with two weekend 36 handicappers, who wanted your advice all the way round, and behind you was a group of your mate, the county champion, and his scratch golfer caddie. Id be well annoyed if a person of similar standard has access to masses of information in effect hidden from the field.
 

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Theres alot of 'advice', thats actually 'information', things like yardages etc

If 99% of players got tour level 'advice' they would have neither the understanding nor the skill to use it. A + golfer at ours recently stopped using the 'Decade' system as it asked too much of his game. And to say hes above average is a mild understatement....

Amateurs giving each other 'advice' is rarely a good thing, and often hugley detrimental, see any thread titled "at the driving range i heard....."

I think its a good thing to make it a penalty, its not a team sport so collusion between competitors should be guarded against, especially for fairness. Imagine you were in a group with two weekend 36 handicappers, who wanted your advice all the way round, and behind you was a group of your mate, the county champion, and his scratch golfer caddie. Id be well annoyed if a person of similar standard has access to masses of information in effect hidden from the field.
But you could buy the ‘masses of information’ i.e. a caddy.
 

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I was asked to be a caddy by one professional after playing in a regional pro/am. I was going to say "you could not afford me" but just politely turned down the offer.
 
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