6N 2022

Liverpoolphil said:
That was a penalty at the scrum - he kept resetting and warning for the players going down and then they went down again , it was a penalty earlier in the game and should have been there and then the player ( as you can see in the video ) coming off his feet at the end as well to steal the ball.

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Have to confess that I know little of the rules, I have little interest tbh but they said on the BBC highlight programme tonight that World Rugby have reviewed the scrums at the end of the game and said that there were no penalty offences and the Ref got it right
 
Carlwm said:
Well, he might be very exciting to watch, especially for a neutral, but I'm not convinced he's in the top ten stand-offs, let alone the best. The ratio between sublime play and ridiculous brain farts suggests his net gain to the team is pretty low.
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Aw man, this is hilarious. You obviously don't see much of him, you should try and watch the recent Saints v Racing HeinekenCup match where he showed Biggar a masterclass. Maybe Racing are just careless with their cash, or maybe they recognise a world class player when they see one.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Why did they keep repeating the scrums then, always to England? As I say, we couldn't hear the commentary. Normally, if you keep redoing it becomes a penalty.
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The scrum couldn't be completed as it wasn't ever stable, a reset is what happens and not a penalty. The referee called both front rows over, told them they were all at fault and to sort it, which they did.

When Brian Moor and Nigel Owens in commentary say the ref called it right you could be pretty sure he called it eight I reckon.
 
Val said:
The scrum couldn't be completed as it wasn't ever stable, a reset is what happens and not a penalty. The referee called both front rows over, told them they were all at fault and to sort it, which they did.

When Brian Moor and Nigel Owens in commentary say the ref called it right you could be pretty sure he called it eight I reckon.
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Cheers, thank you. It was a genuine question, I'm pleased you took it that way ?
 
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Carlwm said:
Hard to judge Ireland because Wales had such a shocker. I would imagine the Irish were only playing at about 80% though. Having said that, I don't think they'll get another referee quite as clueless at scrum time as Jaco Peyper. They infringed constantly but somehow got the decision each time. In other games, I would hope they'd get refereed properly. This isn't sour grapes. Ireland could have put their Sevens team out and won yesterday.
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Peyper has been praised by Rugbypass for exactly this.

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This positive approach extended to Peyper’s management of the scrum. Perhaps due to the conditions the first half saw an unusually high ten set-pieces take place but only two required resets and only the final scrum of the half ended in the award of a penalty.
Another indicator of the referee’s confidence came with him calling for play to continue and possession be moved away on four occasions when the front rows caved in with the ball at the no.8’s feet. Since neither pack were going forward nor looking for a second drive this was an entirely justifiable (and safe) approach but when Ireland did get a nudge on before the front rows went down Peyper read this changed situation perfectly and rewarded them with a penalty.
 
Val said:
The scrum couldn't be completed as it wasn't ever stable, a reset is what happens and not a penalty. The referee called both front rows over, told them they were all at fault and to sort it, which they did.

When Brian Moor and Nigel Owens in commentary say the ref called it right you could be pretty sure he called it eight I reckon.
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Apart from the last couple of minutes fannying about with the scrum, that seemed a very simple game for the ref - but that normally means he did a great job. TMO did his job too, picking the neck-roll that was missed and confirming the Penalty Try incident.
Lots of talking these days, and has been for a while. I can remember the first time I heard a Ref talking to players...Clive Norling sorting everyone out with his calmingly chatty Welsh voice. He could have been useful elsewhere on that tour. That was the one with major disruptions by anti-apartheid demonstrations. Those were interesting times in NZ!
 
Val said:
Aw man, this is hilarious. You obviously don't see much of him, you should try and watch the recent Saints v Racing HeinekenCup match where he showed Biggar a masterclass. Maybe Racing are just careless with their cash, or maybe they recognise a world class player when they see one.
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That's true enough, in fairness. I've only really seen him play for Scotland when he's mostly been inconsistent. Don't think he was great on Saturday. Managed to get away with it though.

After many years of great service to his clubs, it's clear that Dan is coming towards the end of his career at the top level. A class apart from Finn, for the most part though.
 
Captainron said:
Peyper has been praised by Rugbypass for exactly this.

Scrum
This positive approach extended to Peyper’s management of the scrum. Perhaps due to the conditions the first half saw an unusually high ten set-pieces take place but only two required resets and only the final scrum of the half ended in the award of a penalty.
Another indicator of the referee’s confidence came with him calling for play to continue and possession be moved away on four occasions when the front rows caved in with the ball at the no.8’s feet. Since neither pack were going forward nor looking for a second drive this was an entirely justifiable (and safe) approach but when Ireland did get a nudge on before the front rows went down Peyper read this changed situation perfectly and rewarded them with a penalty.
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He might well have been confident and kept the resets to a minimum, but in my opinion, at least, he got it wrong, for the most part. As I said, I have no beef with the result. It was men against boys but I think it's comical that Rugby Pass regard his refereeing at scrum time as being good.
 
I love the Six Nations......it's when folk do who not have a clue about the rules of the sport suddenly become experts.
Just wait for the Winter Olympics to really get going, that takes it to a different level.:whistle:
 
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BrianM said:
They are saying that unless the referee is 100% sure it shouldn't be a penalty at the scrum, so he got the decision correct at the end.
Also the scrums were untidy throughout the match as well.
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They were a mess - he penalised a few early but didn’t later , so just a touch of inconsistency in the end but it’s a tough call to make. Scotland through being clinical at the right time prob just edged the win with a helping hand of silly mistakes from England , was a good game.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
They were a mess - he penalised a few early but didn’t later , so just a touch of inconsistency in the end but it’s a tough call to make. Scotland through being clinical at the right time prob just edged the win with a helping hand of silly mistakes from England , was a good game.
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Though in the early scrums were the penalties not for incorrect/early moving by a hooker of the brake foot. The 'Red time' issues in the scrum were quite different - well as far as I understood things.

On Russell...I thought John Barclay did an excellent job on yesterday's Rugby Special explaining for each of Scotland's tries the detailed planned and executed sequence of things that had to happen. So for the cross-kick try how Darcy Graham was able to disengage and move right across to the right in readiness and then the point at which Russell signalled to Darcy Graham to get ready to go for the cross-kick. The plan to drag the left winger and fullback out of position had worked, they'd been sucked across to Scotland's left...and Russell could see they couldn't get back into position to cover Graham on the right and that only Cowan-Dickie could prevent the try if he and Graham got it right.
 
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Watched the game in the local micro pub, great atmosphere and banter with the lone Scotsman in there ?
Not quite sure how Scotland won that one, created very little and we’re dominated for most of the game. Stupid decisions both with and without the ball cost England and constantly kicking it away when in good field positions ?
 
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For all the stick Farrell gets, I'm fairly confident if he had been at centre England wouldn't have lost that match. Room for improvement on the kicks both from hand and tee, particularly the penalty to the corner and just all round attitude and management. Smith still very good and the right fly half, I just think Farrell improves the team and is underappreciated.

I know Six Nations is always competitive so a loss isn't end of the world, but I'm not convinced Jones is the right person anymore/for a while.
 
I think part of the issue is that, contrary to what most supporters feel, Jones has always seen the 6 Nations as irrelevant. He judges himself on World Cups and matches against the Southern Hemisphere and so I really get the feeling that Jones has never really been that worried about how we preform.

Still, a very deserved Scotland win but no need for a full on England panic yet. We took a retrograde step in calling Daley back into the team as well as a couple of other changes forced on us by Covid.

Wales look awful, to lose so heavily in conditions where scoring at all was difficult was bad enough. Play that match on better conditions and that could have been a cricket score. Scotland have got to be confident for their first win in Wales for a while.

Actually expected more from France yesterday. Be interesting to see how they go against Ireland next week.
 
Carlwm said:
That's true enough, in fairness. I've only really seen him play for Scotland when he's mostly been inconsistent. Don't think he was great on Saturday. Managed to get away with it though.

After many years of great service to his clubs, it's clear that Dan is coming towards the end of his career at the top level. A class apart from Finn, for the most part though.
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Mate, I get you're Welsh but even the most blind loyal can see, I'm not even convinced if your serious or not. Russell was outstanding on Saturday, there is a reason he's been named in many of pundits best team of the opening weekend.

Anyway, all about opinions and I guess if you think Russell isn't on the top 10 fly half's in world rugby, you'll be in a serious minority.
 
Val said:
Mate, I get you're Welsh but even the most blind loyal can see, I'm not even convinced if your serious or not. Russell was outstanding on Saturday, there is a reason he's been named in many of pundits best team of the opening weekend.

Anyway, all about opinions and I guess if you think Russell isn't on the top 10 fly half's in world rugby, you'll be in a serious minority.
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Finn Russell is superb , shown it for the club and also for country and Townsend is the perfect coach to let him flourish - it’s the exact same situation as the 97 Lions

He is the best 10 in the 6N
 
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