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[Deleted member 15344]

I think Freddie was referring to learning to hit clubs as opposed to the type of club.


But I'm guessing you already knew that :smirk:

Surely everyone will learn to hit a club in their own way anyway - that happens naturally.

If someone buys a hybrid and then spends a week practising with it , it then becomes ok ?

There just seems to be a sniff of elitism in regards what clubs people use and this supposed "old fashioned" way.

 

[Alex1975]

If someone buys a hybrid and then spends a week practising with it , it then becomes ok?

:clap:


Would be nice but... No. 3 iron or your cheating

 

[freddielong]

I'm a little surprised, your very much a traditionalist, I had you down as nearly double that.

Not questioning whether you know what your on about as all you have done is give an opinion. Opinions can't be wrong.

How come the very traditional out look and dislike you the wider youth?

I don't know I like things to be done properly and I honestly think some of the updates make the game easier rather than better.

 

[Alex1975]

I don't know I like things to be done properly and I honestly think some of the updates make the game easier rather than better.

So in fairness, why do you not have wooden shafts? A leather ball? At what point in time was it where things were being done "properly" ? Was it not proper before that time? Are cavity backs too far?

On what day in history did things reach the prefect level of properness where it was hard enough without being spoiled?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

So in fairness, why do you not have wooden shafts? A leather ball? At what point in time was it where things were being done "properly" ? Was it not proper before that time? Are cavity backs too far?

On what day in history did things reach the prefect level of properness where it was hard enough without being spoiled?

26th March 1964😃

 

[freddielong]

So in fairness, why do you not have wooden shafts? A leather ball? At what point in time was it where things were being done "properly" ? Was it not proper before that time? Are cavity backs too far?

On what day in history did things reach the prefect level of properness where it was hard enough without being spoiled?

I would love to go back to wooden shafts but I wouldn't be able to compete.

For me golf was a better game prior to the birth of big drivers you still needed ability to hit the ball.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I work hard at my game, have fairly forgiving irons in my bag, and have had tuition. Is the game easy? No of course not but I've maintained I can get better. Technology will continue to help me and I definitely don't want to go back to balata and persimmon. I can definitely improve my 5 iron but I hit it well enough for my level to justify keeping it and not sticking another hybrid in. Others don't work on their game because they don't want to or don't have time and some on here have improved quicker than me. Not sure how you quantify whether practice justifies the make up of the bag. Of course, while technology has undoubtedly made golf more accessible with SGI clubs, it still takes a degree of co-ordination to play half decently some of the time. That won't change wherever equipment goes in the future

 

[bobmac]

This thread is NOT about going back to the old days of wooden clubs and ties.
It was supposed to be about improving your skills rather than buying more clubs.
If you cant hit a half wedge, practice.
If your driver slices, learn to hit it straight.
If you cant putt, have lessons and practice.

Why?
1. Having lessons is cheaper than buying new clubs
2. You'll play better and enjoy your golf more
3. The satisfaction of learning new skills.
4. Having space in your garage for your car
5. Learning a swing that can hit anything
6. And when someone asks you what your handicap is you dont say it's 20 something but I've got a great set of clubs.

Get out there, learn how to play golf and stop trying to buy a game.

For those of you who want to go back to the 'good old days'....start your own thread.
Thank you






One more bottle of Cabernet Shiraz coming right up :cheers:

 

[Crow]

This thread is NOT about going back to the old days of wooden clubs and ties.
It was supposed to be about improving your skills rather than buying more clubs.
If you cant hit a half wedge, practice.
If your driver slices, learn to hit it straight.
If you cant putt, have lessons and practice.

Why?
1. Having lessons is cheaper than buying new clubs
2. You'll play better and enjoy your golf more
3. The satisfaction of learning new skills.
4. Having space in your garage for your car
5. Learning a swing that can hit anything
6. And when someone asks you what your handicap is you dont say it's 20 something but I've got a great set of clubs.

Get out there, learn how to play golf and stop trying to buy a game.

For those of you who want to go back to the 'good old days'....start your own thread.
Thank you


One more bottle of Cabernet Shiraz coming right up :cheers:

I'll join you in a toast to that, although I'm currently qauffing a bit of Malbec. :cheers:

 

[bobmac]

I'm currently qauffing a bit of Malbec. :cheers:

I thought that was the new Mercedes

 

[Leereed]

Might just be me but why would anybody want to make the game any harder?
i started about 5-6 years ago so only know the clubs as they are now.I have got down to 12 with hard work and playing a lot.A lad we play with off 28(more like 38)you could give him the best most forgiving clubs and it would make no difference to his game. He's just crap.

 

[Slab]

This thread is NOT about going back to the old days of wooden clubs and ties.
It was supposed to be about improving your skills rather than buying more clubs.
If you cant hit a half wedge, practice.
If your driver slices, learn to hit it straight.
If you cant putt, have lessons and practice.

Why?
1. Having lessons is cheaper than buying new clubs
2. You'll play better and enjoy your golf more
3. The satisfaction of learning new skills.
4. Having space in your garage for your car
5. Learning a swing that can hit anything
6. And when someone asks you what your handicap is you dont say it's 20 something but I've got a great set of clubs.

Get out there, learn how to play golf and stop trying to buy a game.

For those of you who want to go back to the 'good old days'....start your own thread.
Thank you






One more bottle of Cabernet Shiraz coming right up :cheers:

I get where you're coming from given your job etc but that's hardly what your opening post suggested the thread was about, unless its all contained in the 'why bother' comment, apportioning the blame to the player

The golf market, like most, is a supply and (create) demand market, not demand and create supply (innovation to correct a problem can be there too)

Golfers didn't go the the manufactures and say take away our 3I's and give us an easier hybrid club to hit. The manufactures/the trade, presented the hybrid to the player as a commercial venture, created a very successful demand & becasue of that and other factors, eventually took away the 3I to get to where we are now. And its the same for space age putters, booming drivers and magic wedges

If there's a list of reasons folk don't have enough lessons to improve then 'time' will certainly be up near the top but so will other things like the quality of the teaching pro, perceived return on investment, consumer choice, confusion, inflexible approach to teaching, past experiences and several others
(I actually had one lesson that physically hurt when attempting the lower back movement the pro persisted with even after being told and ended as a wholly un-enjoyable experience that still puts me off lessons)

Whether they are valid or not the reasons for not having a lesson to improve doesn't begin & end with 'why bother I can always buy xyz' and of course you can have a dig at the player but I'd love to hear your thoughts on your colleagues contribution to the current state of affairs too

 

[Smiffy]

Ok

Name an area of the game that hasn't been made easier in the last 10 years

With all the advances in clubs, balls and other equipment that make the game "easier", why hasn't the average handicap dropped in relation????
I don't think that's moved for 25 years or more.
I remember when Beryllium wedges became the latest "must have" a good few years ago. You had to have them, or so we were led to believe.
I asked my then club pro what discernible difference they made.
"More money in the tills" came the reply.
Golf has not become easier. We have become more gullible.

 

[freddielong]

With all the advances in clubs, balls and other equipment that make the game "easier", why hasn't the average handicap dropped in relation????
I don't think that's moved for 25 years or more.
I remember when Beryllium wedges became the latest "must have" a good few years ago. You had to have them, or so we were led to believe.
I asked my then club pro what discernible difference they made.
"More money in the tills" came the reply.
Golf has not become easier. We have become more gullible.

So you believe every aspect of the game has been made easier, but overall the game isn't easier.

 

[patricks148]

The game must be easier that i was with wooded headed clubs and everyone having to use a blade iron.

I don'y know why the av handicap has not dropped since them, maybe there are more lower handicaps that back then and that has made up for more guys in the higher handicap sections..

I only started playing with modern equipment, so didn't play beck then, but have used older stuff on the odd occasion and that was much harder to use.

 

[Smiffy]

So you believe every aspect of the game has been made easier, but overall the game isn't easier.

No.
I said that despite people saying that equipment has improved and therefore made the game easier, the "average" handicap doesn't back this up!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

For me

It maybe easier to hit the ball with certain clubs

But that doesn't mean the game itself is easier and IMO it's still just as hard to get the ball into the hole

 

[freddielong]

For me

It maybe easier to hit the ball with certain clubs

But that doesn't mean the game itself is easier and IMO it's still just as hard to get the ball into the hole

Although because you are hitting it further and with more control, you are now on average closer to the hole and your putter is perfectly balanced, the balls are rounder and the greens are better, you still have to put the ball in the hole, so it's not easier is that it.

 

[Junior]

I 100% get the opening post.

I'm pants right now. I've gone from shooting sub 80's in most of my rounds to mid 80's pretty much every time I tee it up.

When I was scoring in the 70's , I feel I could put any club in my hands and hit it well (2i's / 3i's etc) My belief was that if I could improve my chipping / putting, I could be close to a cat 1 handicap.

Right now, after the weekend, and after the range last night, I'm missing greens with 9i's.

I'm old and ugly enough to realise that no new gear will fix missing greens with 9i's.

 

[freddielong]

No.
I said that despite people saying that equipment has improved and therefore made the game easier, the "average" handicap doesn't back this up!

I don't see that, less people are playing and those that are playing practice less. I can go to our practice area pretty much anytime I want in the summer and there is no one there.

If the handicap hasn't moved it's because the average golfer no longer needs to practice to maintain their handicap due to the game being easier.


From my experience the average category 1 handicap is a lot lower.