That is to with the length of the hole though, which is presumably due in part to the area available for the course, it has nothing to do with what the par should or should not be.
Not quite. The term used was 'regularly'. A different implication altogether!
Maybe I misinterpreted the OP, I'm fully in agreement with non gendered tees. But other than for stableford scoring par or occasional other lesser used formats such as bogey comps, none of which are played at elite level as far as I'm aware the par of a hole is really pretty irrelevant to how to play or plan it.
No she plays off the mens white tees in practice, but the white tees are not being evaluated for WHS because England golf told both her clubs it was not needed but the mens have been evaluated off the ladies tees?? Gender neutral tees should be the way forward. Not all women golfers hit the driver 60 yards. My point being that women should be treated as equals not have the micky taken out of them because they have short par 5's or are 100 yards ahead of the male golfers. At the end of the day Par is just a number but getting an eagle and birdie every time you play a short par 5 is not challenging.
My point exactly it's not challenging enough hitting a wedge into a par 5 should be a longer club, She does play off the mens tees. But they are not being evaluated for the WHS as England golf have advised against it?? So she is unable to put in a card off more difficult tees to gain a more relevant handicap rather than off the very short ladies tees which will give her an unrealistic handicap.
I mean, it sounds to me like on that hole she is using the club into the green that she should be using. And if she's going round the course, off the red tees, scoring 62 everytime (for argument's sake) then her handicap index will follow appropriately. Nothing wrong with that, surely? I'm not sure Bobby Jones designed the 13th at Augusta to be hit into with a 7 iron, but that's what the big boys do now!
I can understand being frustrated at not playing off longer tees but under WHS my understanding is that the slope system with course rating mean that the handicap would be unchanged, as the course rating would be higher off back tees.
Why does she need the white tees to be rated for women if she is not playing a competition? Her competitive golf is played on rated courses. We have several elite level women at my club, they aren't interested in playing stablefords off the reds. They practice off the yellows and whites to simulate competition conditions. As already stated par is an irrelevant number, the only one that counts is the one in the bottom right hand corner of the scorecard.
I don't believe EG would have 'advised against it', so much as 'it's not economic to do so' or, more likely, 'We don't believe sufficient use will be made of those tees by Ladies'. The latter is clearly not the case for your daughter.
I do wish the term 'Gender Neutral Tees' would not be used. To make them truly gender neutral, they should simply be described by colour - White, Yellow, Red being 3 normal ones. Ratings for Ladies should be available for more than just Red, but perhaps only after application - thus saving some expense by whoever has to pay.
Including tees that are 7500+ yards?
How many women are likely to play from tees that length? I believe most LPGA events are played on courses around 6800.
