HawkeyeMS
Ryder Cup Winner
You do know who Hawkeye's regular playing partner is dont you?
Homer Hooks it into the rough
4:15hr is actually a pretty reasonable pace of play for our group
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SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
4hrs 15 mins is really a bit too long for a fourball. Should be more like 3hrs 45mins. Fourballs should not be playing strokeplay and in other forms of golf players should really pick up when out of it. Accepting our own or our own group's slow play on the basis that 'we always let groups through' is not really good enough IMO - because by definition we will have held up the group behind; will have taken time to realise it; and it takes time to let the following group play through.
Note also the wave effect. The fact that we note that we hold up the group behind and they play through - the group behind them is also likely to have been held up and so on back through the course. And as for any traffic flow - anything holding things up will continue to do so long after removal of the original obstruction or whatever caused the delay/slowdown.
Note also the wave effect. The fact that we note that we hold up the group behind and they play through - the group behind them is also likely to have been held up and so on back through the course. And as for any traffic flow - anything holding things up will continue to do so long after removal of the original obstruction or whatever caused the delay/slowdown.
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john0
Journeyman Pro
To be honest if people didn't spend so much time shuffling about on the tee box to stand in the HNSP when in a group of mixed right and left handers then it would knock a good half hour off the time it takes to complete a round 
dufferman
Journeyman Pro
Surely though, if the average time is 4 1/4 hours for a fourball, why is there a need for it to be faster? If there is no 1 group to blame, why does it need to be faster?
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
Sorry...1 mph is the pace for four golfers to walk around an average golf course in 4.25 hours.
Re earlier thread walking paces
OAP 3mph
Adult 4 mph
Fit adult 5mph
Average golf course [6000 yards] + tee to greens is about 4.5 miles.
Assuming all golfers are 'fit'.
PS Recent surveys report that slow play is one of the main reasons golfers give up membership of golf clubs.
Don't ask me to quote them but I have actually seen them [honest]!!
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3565
Journeyman Pro
I start on the 1st tee, finish on the 18th green, and what ever the time it's taken to play, is the time it's taken. I thought golf was to go round in lowest amount of shots possible? Not a sprint!!! You can only do what's in your control to prepare yourself, but what others do.......
i had the privilege to play with a member at Royal Birkdale, first time playing it and was eager and looking forward to saviour every minute of it. The member saw an older gentleman called Roger, and conversation went like this....
hello Roger?
Ahh Paul, how are you?
Ok Roger, how did you get on today?
Bloody marvellous, we went round in 2hrs 40min............
After picking myself up off the floor from laughing, I asked was he being serious, to which I got a swift Yes.
How he played or what score he shot.......... No idea, but he went round ROYAL BIRKDALE in 2hrs 40min......... I ask ya!!!
i had the privilege to play with a member at Royal Birkdale, first time playing it and was eager and looking forward to saviour every minute of it. The member saw an older gentleman called Roger, and conversation went like this....
hello Roger?
Ahh Paul, how are you?
Ok Roger, how did you get on today?
Bloody marvellous, we went round in 2hrs 40min............
After picking myself up off the floor from laughing, I asked was he being serious, to which I got a swift Yes.
How he played or what score he shot.......... No idea, but he went round ROYAL BIRKDALE in 2hrs 40min......... I ask ya!!!
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
To be honest if people didn't spend so much time shuffling about on the tee box to stand in the HNSP when in a group of mixed right and left handers then it would knock a good half hour off the time it takes to complete a round
In the days when HNSP was practiced as good etiquette, play was at least an hour a round quicker.
You seem to have shot yourself in the foot there!
bluewolf
Money List Winner
Don't start that off again.. I've only just recovered the will to live...
I totally agree with the last point. I personally know several people with children and busy lives who have given up playing golf because it takes up too much time. Many the answer is to reduce the number of holes in a standard round, or just to speed up play by whatever means possible? :mmm:
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bluewolf
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I've made this point before, but it's worth writing again.. I have a limited amount of time to play. I can't get to the course before 11 (usually), and I have to be away by 3 to pick up the kids from school. If the round takes over 4 hours then I have to leave after only 15 or so holes.. If that happened too many times I'd seriously consider whether it was worth it.. Fortunately the issue hasn't arisen yet, but when summer arrives (if ever) I would probably have a problem..
I would love it if the average round was 3.5 hours, but if I was forced to accept 4.5 hours as an average then golf would probably have to take a backseat to other, less time consuming pursuits...
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
That was extremely rude of you to fall to the ground and laugh at him. I hope that you did not cause any discomfort to the member who had kindly invited you onto his course.
The member concerned had obviously enjoyed a round of golf at a sensible pace.
Perhaps he suffers the misfortune of being held up by golfers who are not in the habit of being aware of golfers playing at a pace they enjoy.
User20205
Money List Winner
the time taken is irrelevant, it's the time of the round relative to the rest of the course that's important.
that said I'd expect to be around ours in less than four hours for a 4 ball.
I do agree there is a lot of messing around in modern golf, pre shot rountines and leaving your bag in the wrong place being the main cause IMO
that said I'd expect to be around ours in less than four hours for a 4 ball.
I do agree there is a lot of messing around in modern golf, pre shot rountines and leaving your bag in the wrong place being the main cause IMO
ManinBlack
Tour Winner
It will get worse! I photographed a group of 8 to 13 year old golfers playing in a county final last year. They, almost without exception, had the same laborious pre shot routine - a couple of practice swings, step away, look carefully down the line, set up to ball, two more practice swings then a long pause before the swing started. Can't wait to play behind them!
User20205
Money List Winner
there is no way you can get around a championship course at 6500+ in 2hrs 40, to have it a the defining characteristic of your round is silly.
My course is 6200, my fastest round is 2h45ish in a 2 ball going off at 7am. We played at a fair lick and I couldn't imagine nor would i want to play quicker than that
bluewolf
Money List Winner
I've done a 6100 yd course in 2 hours 15 mins, but that was playing on my own on a Saturday afternoon when no one else was out.. If you offer me 4 hours per round I'll take it, but that extra half hour is IMO unnecessary.. I'm not asking anyone to rush, just to avoid wasting any unnecessary time.. If you can't make it round in 4 hours (adjust for Championship course if necessary), then please let faster groups through if possible..
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
So those hundreds of rounds I played in 2, 3 and even 4 balls as a teenager were just a figment of my imagination then.
As a 2 ball two hours 40 would be considered slow.
User20205
Money List Winner
completely agree, it depends on the context. On the final round of the club champs time is irrelevant to a degree, teeing off at 12pm in December you wanna get round asap. Anyone who dicks around in the group infront pre shot routining, looking for balls and not waving through is a massive pain.
User20205
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Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
No takers then?
louise_a
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If I go out on my own I get round in just over 2 hours, however if I am in a fourball I don't really worry about how long it takes as long as we aren't being held up.
