2022 World Cup.

[Swinglowandslow]

You're assuming they were trying to win.....wouldn't surprise me if they went out with the premise of simply not losing.
After all, the draw hasn't left us in a bad place.

yes, to me ,that was confirmed when Trippier went to take the corner at the end.
He wasted time, clearly the actions of a player who wanted things to stay as they were.
And, just as clearly, he didn’t decide that on his own.

 

[Beezerk]

Question
Does Southgate need to rest Kane against Wales?

He looks tired
We will need him fresh for the QF
Thoughts

Yea but he won’t, he’ll play his favourites and that’s it.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Blimey - you would think that Henderson was at the heart of all the issues , yet nothing about the midfielders on before him who created and added nothing.

The midfield was far too close to Maguire and Co and were adding nothing so bringing on Henderson was all about trying to get the midfield higher and closer to the front line and to try and close the Suez Canal size gap from Rice and Bellingham to the front players. Henderson dragged the play up higher and started the press a lot higher up the pitch. Not sure what happened with Bellingham but after the first 5 mins he just dropped deep and him and Rice offered nothing.

Would go for this team against Wales

Pickford

TAA
Maguire
Stones
Shaw

Rice
Henderson

Foden
Bellingham
Saka

Kane

 

[PJ87]

Blimey - you would think that Henderson was at the heart of all the issues , yet nothing about the midfielders on before him who created and added nothing.

The midfield was far too close to Maguire and Co and were adding nothing so bringing on Henderson was all about trying to get the midfield higher and closer to the front line and to try and close the Suez Canal size gap from Rice and Bellingham to the front players. Henderson dragged the play up higher and started the press a lot higher up the pitch. Not sure what happened with Bellingham but after the first 5 mins he just dropped deep and him and Rice offered nothing.

Would go for this team against Wales

Pickford

TAA
Maguire
Stones
Shaw

Rice
Henderson

Foden
Bellingham
Saka

Kane

So Henderson and taa who have produced nothing all season get shoe horned into a team that scored 6 against Iran with the best right back in the league dropped?

No Liverpool bias there

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So Henderson and taa who have produced nothing all season get shoe horned into a team that scored 6 against Iran with the best right back in the league dropped?

No Liverpool bias there

Seriously if you’re talking about bias then at least look in the mirror - 99% of your posts since Henderson got on the pitch is about him - did he hurt you somewhere.

The game against Iran was gone , they were creating nothing against USA . Zero , zilch , nada - TAA is one of the most creative with the ball at his feet , even Neville who has been critical of TAA said he should have been put on the pitch along with Foden - but it’s Southgate lack of managerial ability that means he can’t work out how to play two of the best young players in Europe in his team.

 

[PJ87]

Seriously if you’re talking about bias then at least look in the mirror - 99% of your posts since Henderson got on the pitch is about him - did he hurt you somewhere.

The game against Iran was gone , they were creating nothing against USA . Zero , zilch , nada - TAA is one of the most creative with the ball at his feet , even Neville who has been critical of TAA said he should have been put on the pitch along with Foden - but it’s Southgate lack of managerial ability that means he can’t work out how to play two of the best young players in Europe in his team.

Changing full backs midgame when you still need to keep out the USA isn't a good idea. Considering the high profile errors Trent has made defending this year then bringing him on for tripper isn't the answer. Bringing him on to play in front of tripper for sterling and pushing saka wide left with Trent given room to create is a better option.

Henderson is not the answer to the issues we were having. We needed an injection of pace and creative play. Not a slower version of what we already had on the pitch

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Changing full backs midgame when you still need to keep out the USA isn't a good idea. Considering the high profile errors Trent has made defending this year then bringing him on for tripper isn't the answer. Bringing him on to play in front of tripper for sterling and pushing saka wide left with Trent given room to create is a better option.

Henderson is not the answer to the issues we were having. We needed an injection of pace and creative play. Not a slower version of what we already had on the pitch

Worrying about keeping out USA is that exact same mentality that Southgate has - negative , defensive and worrying about not getting beat first , it’s why Rice despite plodding around was left on the pitch. And it’s also why England despite how so much bright creative talent will never flourish under Southgate and his bumbling interview afterwards highlighted it

Tripper was poor , he was getting dragged all over the place and offering nothing on the ball - Trent is not a wide attacker , they needed someone to be able to provide quality from deep and wide - something that TAA has been doing better than anyone in Europe for a number of years - “high profile errors” - it’s media created nonsense that people like you swallow up to shoot down young players. TAA would be starting for all those top teams in the World Cup - same for Foden yet Southgate can’t fit them in ?

And told you exactly why Henderson was brought on , to try and get the midfield higher , the press higher and get players closer to Kane who was dropping far too deep because the midfield was giving him nothing

It should have been imo Henderson for Rice , TAA for Tripper and Foden for Either Sterling or Mount - press USA higher , get players closer to Kane , Sterling and Saka - but that’s far too attacking for Southgate who is holding that bunch of players back.

 

[PJ87]

Worrying about keeping out USA is that exact same mentality that Southgate has - negative , defensive and worrying about not getting beat first , it’s why Rice despite plodding around was left on the pitch. And it’s also why England despite how so much bright creative talent will never flourish under Southgate and his bumbling interview afterwards highlighted it

Tripper was poor , he was getting dragged all over the place and offering nothing on the ball - Trent is not a wide attacker , they needed someone to be able to provide quality from deep and wide - something that TAA has been doing better than anyone in Europe for a number of years - “high profile errors” - it’s media created nonsense that people like you swallow up to shoot down young players. TAA would be starting for all those top teams in the World Cup - same for Foden yet Southgate can’t fit them in ?

And told you exactly why Henderson was brought on , to try and get the midfield higher , the press higher and get players closer to Kane who was dropping far too deep because the midfield was giving him nothing

It should have been imo Henderson for Rice , TAA for Tripper and Foden for Either Sterling or Mount - press USA higher , get players closer to Kane , Sterling and Saka - but that’s far too attacking for Southgate who is holding that bunch of players back.

Henderson for rice is exactly what cost us the euro final

Even the Italians have admitted it lifted them seeing our best midfielder on the night leaving the pitch

Henderson was the incorrect option and "you have been told"? By whom? Yourself?

 

[fundy]

Good to see Chesney proving hes still the 1 and only

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Henderson for rice is exactly what cost us the euro final

Even the Italians have admitted it lifted them seeing our best midfielder on the night leaving the pitch

Henderson was the incorrect option and "you have been told"? By whom? Yourself?

Henderson for Rice didn’t “cost England” the Euro final ?‍ - nonsense imagine the player going off was a West Ham player and you accuse others of bias ?

It was 1-1 when Rice went off with Italy dominating after England , typically under Southgate dropped deep after taking the lead. Is that why you are holding a grudge against him - because you have this weird idea he is the reason why England didn’t win the Euros ?? - must be a lot of pins in the voodoo doll of him

Good to see Chesney proving hes still the 1 and only

The penalty save was great but that touch for the follow up was even better

 

[PJ87]

Henderson for Rice didn’t “cost England” the Euro final ?‍ - nonsense imagine the player going off was a West Ham player and you accuse others of bias ?

It was 1-1 when Rice went off with Italy dominating after England , typically under Southgate dropped deep after taking the lead. Is that why you are holding a grudge against him - because you have this weird idea he is the reason why England didn’t win the Euros ?? - must be a lot of pins in the voodoo doll of him



The penalty save was great but that touch for the follow up was even better

 

[Deleted member 15344]

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sorry but how does that show that “Henderson cost England the Euros”



Declan Rice Offered more than Phillips offensively but largely succeeded in his main task of stopping Italy slicing through. Exhausted when substituted.

Henderson (for Rice, 74) Pierced the Italy defence with a lovely ball to Sterling and helped change the flow in extra time.

So how exactly did it cost England the Euros considering they lost it on penalties ?‍

But at least we know that you definitely aren’t biased and don’t hold grudges ???

 

[PJ87]

sorry but how does that show that “Henderson cost England the Euros”



Declan Rice Offered more than Phillips offensively but largely succeeded in his main task of stopping Italy slicing through. Exhausted when substituted.

Henderson (for Rice, 74) Pierced the Italy defence with a lovely ball to Sterling and helped change the flow in extra time.

So how exactly did it cost England the Euros considering they lost it on penalties ?‍

Did you watch the game? Henderson over cooked 90% of his passes. It was frustrating.

Thought you were boycotting this world cup or is that now over ?

 

[BubbaP]

Still controversial...
"Cristiano Ronaldo a 'total genius' for winning Portugal penalty - Fifa"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63766703

 

[Swinglowandslow]

So much effort wasted by KSA

 

[BubbaP]

Good job we did play the Saudis yesterday ?

Eh? You may need to explain..

 

[Piece]

Saudi Arabia played far better in a 2-0 loss than Eng did last night ?

Reflecting on last night, it wasn't necessarily the substitutions who did or didn't not come on, it was more about the fact the tactics didn't visibly change. Subs were made for the same positions. I was hoping that Gareth had a plan B or C; maybe three at the back, five in midfield, or something to change the dynamic. Clearly not, as he wanted to secure a point from a cr4p performance of his making.

 

[PJ87]

Saudi Arabia played far better in a 2-0 loss than Eng did last night ?

Reflecting on last night, it wasn't necessarily the substitutions who did or didn't not come on, it was more about the fact the tactics didn't visibly change. Subs were made for the same positions. I was hoping that Gareth had a plan B or C; maybe three at the back, five in midfield, or something to change the dynamic. Clearly not, as he wanted to secure a point from a cr4p performance of his making.

Yes it did seem more plan A1,a2 rather than b and c

Tuesday will be the true reflection of last night, hopefully we see more of the Iran performance

On the face of it 4 points , 6 scored 2 let in isn't a poor record

Everyone has bad games

 

[Swinglowandslow]

Eh? You may need to explain..

Yes, first a typo…not the first time I’ve put didn’t and comes out did?

And then, just typed it and Poland scored !

But Saudis played well, all over Poland , just couldn’t finish. With our luck, they would have finished?

 

[Swango1980]

Saudi Arabia played far better in a 2-0 loss than Eng did last night ?

Reflecting on last night, it wasn't necessarily the substitutions who did or didn't not come on, it was more about the fact the tactics didn't visibly change. Subs were made for the same positions. I was hoping that Gareth had a plan B or C; maybe three at the back, five in midfield, or something to change the dynamic. Clearly not, as he wanted to secure a point from a cr4p performance of his making.

Some teams try and go out and win games. Especially the bigger teams like France, Brazil, Spain, etc. Saudi Arabia tried.

England try and avoid defeat. They try and stop the opposition from playing. Southgate is the classic negative coach for the FA. I suspect the game versus Iran was a freak result, rather than Southgate's genius as a coach