12hrs at the range with Gibbo

[G1BB0]

already been doing the posture/set up routine in the mirror at home James and also the hip turn with a club in the garden. Thumb is now definitely not on top and feels more 'natural' every time I grip the club. Range tomorrow after work but not worried about ball striking just yet as I reckon once I get the swing smoother and feeling more ingrained that will come in time. I have no golf planned until 22nd so gonna be a case of drills and feeling the positions and a few range sessions beforehand.

 

[3565]

Gibbo wasn't hitting the ball very well at all, he wanted to go back to basics (not the basics he once learned but the PROPER basics). His early extension, flippy swing meant that the club comes in quite close to his body as he stands up to hit the ball, once we had him in a good posture his swing plane was flatter (less steep and flippy) then it was shanksville!

We discussed the hips and he did a drill where you bend right over and have almost 70cm of forward shaft lean (the grip of the club is only 40cm off the ground), this stops you early extending, teaches you to clear your left hip yada yada. We discussed shaft lean, forward hands, the role of the backswing and keeping the club more in front of you rather than swinging it around you, we discussed how the right shoulder comes down with the right arm so the hands can get forwards, we discussed the head being behind the ball and how having some spine tilt and hip bump at address helps. We discussed getting his thumb pad off the top of the grip, we discussed the club going left thru the ball, we discussed a bit about how he needed the club face a little more left with his driver and his stance was too square, we talked about his confidence issues with his chipping, we practiced that a bit and I wanted him to think about his hand speed/commitment to the shot rather than the club head. We did some bunker stuff (which reminds me I need to send him a vid).... I can't think what else comes to mind.

Hopefully some of the things we talked about will help his game, I don't expect him to hit the ball very well unless he practices... but he could well go back to his old swing. If he does then maybe a few pieces will stick with him but if he doesn't set up correctly, turn the shoulder/arm unit down together and try to get the hands forwards then it's likely that the pieces won't work. Even if he fixes his grip it would be a start... I'm not holding my breath, some people can just take this stuff in and really want to adapt whilst others don't seem to grasp it quite so well... Gibbo seemed VERY hardy (for a chef!!)... he just kept going and I really appreciated his effort. The rest is up to him. Now that he knows this stuff and has slept on it I would like to do another few hours when he's available, if he wants.

Why not just give him the Golfing Machine book

 

[garyinderry]

Gibbo wasn't hitting the ball very well at all, he wanted to go back to basics (not the basics he once learned but the PROPER basics). His early extension, flippy swing meant that the club comes in quite close to his body as he stands up to hit the ball, once we had him in a good posture his swing plane was flatter (less steep and flippy) then it was shanksville!

We discussed the hips and he did a drill where you bend right over and have almost 70cm of forward shaft lean (the grip of the club is only 40cm off the ground), this stops you early extending, teaches you to clear your left hip yada yada. We discussed shaft lean, forward hands, the role of the backswing and keeping the club more in front of you rather than swinging it around you, we discussed how the right shoulder comes down with the right arm so the hands can get forwards, we discussed the head being behind the ball and how having some spine tilt and hip bump at address helps. We discussed getting his thumb pad off the top of the grip, we discussed the club going left thru the ball, we discussed a bit about how he needed the club face a little more left with his driver and his stance was too square, we talked about his confidence issues with his chipping, we practiced that a bit and I wanted him to think about his hand speed/commitment to the shot rather than the club head. We did some bunker stuff (which reminds me I need to send him a vid).... I can't think what else comes to mind.

Hopefully some of the things we talked about will help his game, I don't expect him to hit the ball very well unless he practices... but he could well go back to his old swing. If he does then maybe a few pieces will stick with him but if he doesn't set up correctly, turn the shoulder/arm unit down together and try to get the hands forwards then it's likely that the pieces won't work. Even if he fixes his grip it would be a start... I'm not holding my breath, some people can just take this stuff in and really want to adapt whilst others don't seem to grasp it quite so well... Gibbo seemed VERY hardy (for a chef!!)... he just kept going and I really appreciated his effort. The rest is up to him. Now that he knows this stuff and has slept on it I would like to do another few hours when he's available, if he wants.

sounds like you will have planted some good ideas in his head. some things take a while to sink in. keep up the good work lads. I feel I learn something new when I re-watch some videos on youtube. you cant take it all in first time!

 

[Siren]

G1bbo I havent read through all 11 pages but the 2nd photo is the way to go.

If it helps I went through a similar thing in January but sticking to it has helped me no end.

Good luck buddy :thup:

 

[I am Spartacus]

Why is the teaching of golf so bloody sacred?? There are plenty of folk with a handicap that know what they're talking about and plenty of terrible PGA certified teachers.

I'm not saying we should take advice from anyone but maybe the person receiving the help can decide if it's useful?

If we can't help ourselves or each other what is the point in the hundreds of swing tips we see in Golf Monthly??

Just wondering if you can actually name me just five terrible PGA certified teachers and why you think that they're terrible considering their effort and dedication to reach such a status!

Seems like a very broad and sweeping statement.

 

[I am Spartacus]

One of the most sensible posts in here.

Shame Bob got the hump and good on James giving up his time for nothing. Always comes across as trying to help and that's to be applauded.

Really???

I would suggest on the contrary. Its actually a very broad sweeping statement that unless he can't back it up shouldn't have been made.

 

[chrisd]

Over the years I've definitely been to PGA pros who should have been embarrassed to take their money! My current one is quite the opposite and I have reaped the rewards of his skill and knowledge. There are good and bad doctors, train drivers, shop workers, drivers etc out there, James and I have spoken at some length about aspects of golf and I personally like the guy and respect how much he knows and how much he has helped people on here. There is plenty of room for him and Bob to live on here, side by side and help us mere mortals.

Oh! And James didnt help with my swing at all, he just shook his head!

 

[ArnoldArmChewer]

You need to row your own boat in this life, 12hours at a golf range for me would not work, but if its working for Gibbo then good for him. We are all different