SwingsitlikeHogan
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Aren’t wages for the lower paid and trades especially going to be increasing once we leave the EU in any case? That would surely encourage those not currently in work into the workplace and training.
1 in 12 Adults have never worked.
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sussexhacker
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Possibly different rules for different councils, but in the NE an engaged couple can’t apply for a joint tenancy, they can both apply separately for housing and once the application is filled out and submitted their cases will be assessed accordingly.
Some housing comes with strict rules, ie, you’re not allowed to move a “partner” in on a permanent basis and some allow it.
Obviously the system relies on honesty and without that, undeserving cases can get through.
I’ve known people get Social Housing in less than 2 weeks in my role as a RBL Case Worker, so 2 months in some ways is not that quick.
sussexhacker
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There’s quite a long waiting list around here, I’ve heard stories of people who have been waiting 3/4 years and keep being pushed back for people who are in more urgent need
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You can get that anywhere, but they tend to be those on the lowest priority, ie, already housed but want to move area etc.
Any system relies on honesty of the applicants.
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What I'm sure most people could agree with council houses etc is it should be accessed a lot
Like old Bob crow (not to speak ill of the dead) famously leader of the RMT for years whilst living in a council house .. hardly poor .. quite possibly the most powerful man in London at the time.
My wife's grandparents still live in a 3 bed council house. Very much can't afford to move. Just state pension etc
However that said they could easily downsize it's just them
Almost like the council should be able to say hey others need this we can offer you this lovely retirement flat
Like old Bob crow (not to speak ill of the dead) famously leader of the RMT for years whilst living in a council house .. hardly poor .. quite possibly the most powerful man in London at the time.
My wife's grandparents still live in a 3 bed council house. Very much can't afford to move. Just state pension etc
However that said they could easily downsize it's just them
Almost like the council should be able to say hey others need this we can offer you this lovely retirement flat
SocketRocket
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Why do you think that, maybe you can show where such a policy of increasing wages has been suggested?
Hacker Khan
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But on the other hand 11 out of 12 have worked. And perhaps if those that have/do work and are relatively well off like, lets face it everyone on this board, got slightly less angry about those that do need a bit of help then the world may be a better place. And they would enjoy their lives a bit more being thankful for what they have got.
You are quite right. What gripes though is that for every 9 people who are genuine and need help there will be that 1 person who works the system and that is the one we remember, the one that winds people up. It is human nature to remember the bad example. Let's face it, that 1 person is really, really irritating and annoying so our minds have to work hard to get past them and get to the ones we need to look after. A step back every so often is good advice though.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Sorry - I thought that one of the reasons many folks voted to leave the EU was in the expectation that wages would go up once Eastern Europeans were less influential in keeping wages depressed. I am sure I heard that said many times. I certainly didn't hear any lead Leave campaigner tell these folks that they were mistaken holding such an expectation.
Must have misheard.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
My sons girlfriend (24yrs) has not worked for last 4 years - and prior to that she did a little bit of teaching in a dance class paid diddly-squat.
But she claims nothing from the state. We think she should be the way - it might force her into looking for work - something that seems she is incapable of doing herself - because meanwhile my son has to provide for both.
And as for him. His income is way beneath the average but also claims nothing. His month-to-month (week-to-week) income is hugely variable. He can't sign on for JSA as he could get work at any time - he just doesn't know when it will turn up. And as I understand it if he is not signed-on he cannot claim any further benefits.
And he has mates on zero hours contracts who are in a similar bind. Trying to manage on income from zero hours contract as all the work that they can get - when some weeks that income can be zero - but they can't sign-on as they might get work the next week and so would invalidate their benefits entitlement - seems to me to be a complete nightmare working on zero hours contracts and somehow looking to the state for support. What a system.
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
If what’s being offered is week to week zero hour contracts with regular periods of no hours being offered…. why not take 2 or 3 such jobs. The company that contacts you by xyz deadline for the following week with an offer of abc number of days/hours of work gets your services, the others lose out on securing you for that week/didn’t want you anyway 
Once you knock them back once or twice will they ask again? Plenty more people to choose from for zero hours contract work, it is rarely skilled.If what’s being offered is week to week zero hour contracts with regular periods of no hours being offered…. why not take 2 or 3 such jobs. The company that contacts you by xyz deadline for the following week with an offer of abc number of days/hours of work gets your services, the others lose out on securing you for that week/didn’t want you anyway
It is a viscious cycle to be in and one that ideally you need to break I would suggest.
Slab
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Yeah there’s a smidge of flippancy in my post as the ‘control’ in that relationship is seldom going to lie with the worker. As you say the cycle has to be broken and that will take a political action to tighten the loophole that allows this type of contract for what are clearly 'normal ongoing jobs' but they seem preoccupied with other matters to pay this much heed
(although I wonder whether they would look after the electorate and scrap zero hour contracts other than exceptions, even if they had a free afternoon to discuss it)
I don't think a Conservative govt would scrap them as they love the idea of 'flexibility'. We all know what that really means, low wage economy, staff easy to sack, but is not healthy imo. They are a very sad introduction into the workplace.
SocketRocket
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How naive of me to believe you were not wormtounging
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
You don't 'wormtongue' someone - if you have read LotR you'll know who Grima Wormtongue is and the relationship he has with the King of the Rohans.
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
This is what wealthy civilised countries do.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/new...nister-sanna-marin/ar-BBYDyNo?ocid=spartandhp
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/new...nister-sanna-marin/ar-BBYDyNo?ocid=spartandhp
Bummer when you are paid an hourly rate or work on piece time.This is what wealthy civilised countries do.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/new...nister-sanna-marin/ar-BBYDyNo?ocid=spartandhp
Who gets employed for the 1 day that needs filling if others are only working 4 days? Can you live on 1 day a week salary, would you be bothered going in? I work with a company in Finland, it will be interesting to speak to them about this, the practicalities of this.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
The thought of working 24 hours a week would scare the pants off a lot of people.This is what wealthy civilised countries do.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/new...nister-sanna-marin/ar-BBYDyNo?ocid=spartandhp
