Doon frae Troon
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I did not realise that inherited wealth figures were so high.
1 in 12 Adults have never worked.
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I'm afraid that's a fantasy. For a low or zero skill job, you keep increasing wages and you simply reduce the jobs available. That or you increase inflation and so the pay rise is negated. It's a nice thought but simply not viable.
ColchesterFC
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I did not realise that inherited wealth figures were so high.
Yep, it's just a shame that nice Mr Corbyn didn't get in and redistribute some of that wealth to the rest of us.
Kellfire
Blackballed
And what does that tell you about the whole system of a minimum wage?
SocketRocket
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That low skilled jobs dont tend to pay high wages but at least theres a backstop in place.
Kellfire
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The minimum wage should allow people to live in relative comfort. It should not condemn them to never owning property, sharing with others and having to live off low quality food and sacrifice happiness for existence. If that’s all it does, society is failing then.
As of April, a 40 week will earn someone (adult) close to 18k on minimum wage.
Imo that is more than enough.
It shouldn’t be a case of constantly raising wages, it should also mean making benefits less appealing.
If people push to hard for more money, the jobs will vanish. Supermarkets and fast food places do it already. Staff complained that they aren’t paid enough to do the vital task of sitting on a till. So corps started using self check out because whilst there is an initial outlay the continued escalation of wages for a simple task we’re getting out of hand.
We live in a world of supply and demand. Not the other way round. I grew up on social or with one parent working. We were lucky to get a weekend away somewhere every year. That made me determined to get a job so I could have more. If I’d had two holidays abroad a year, my drive could easily have been diminished.
Imo that is more than enough.
It shouldn’t be a case of constantly raising wages, it should also mean making benefits less appealing.
If people push to hard for more money, the jobs will vanish. Supermarkets and fast food places do it already. Staff complained that they aren’t paid enough to do the vital task of sitting on a till. So corps started using self check out because whilst there is an initial outlay the continued escalation of wages for a simple task we’re getting out of hand.
We live in a world of supply and demand. Not the other way round. I grew up on social or with one parent working. We were lucky to get a weekend away somewhere every year. That made me determined to get a job so I could have more. If I’d had two holidays abroad a year, my drive could easily have been diminished.
Kellfire
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All you’re doing is showing how the system is broken.
Doon frae Troon
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The system of decent pay for 'low skilled jobs' seems to work well in the Scandinavian countries where they have much higher values on social inclusion.
The current UK system seems hell bent on manufacturing a have and have not society.
Love to see some folk who berate people with low skilled jobs cope with being a gardener or a call centre worker.
How so?
I’d argue that people have unrealistic expectations of how society should take care of them. It’s up to adults to go out and provide for themselves. Minimum wage 40 hour jobs pay enough.
People simply aren’t willing to work 40 hours for what they see is little extra than what’s handed to them.
People don’t berate low skilled workers, but not everyone will earn top wage. It doesn’t mean we should over pay for something out of some sort of desire to make the world fair. That’s not how it works.
Bunkermagnet
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Living in comfort does not include the latest phone and contract, Sky tv, smoking, latest car, takeaway's 7 times a week or own 4 bedroom house.
Sadly too many do, then complain they have no money.
Kellfire
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You’re coming across as incredibly elitist and a snob.
It should allow for a reasonable quality of life that doesn’t cause a massive gap between the rest of society. It should allow people to have things like a smartphone, internet access, good food quality and the ability to socialise.
Society has changed and without these things that are now basically a bare minimum to engage and enjoy life, the problem of disenfranchisement from society will only perpetuate. That’s brings its own issues - crime, family breakdowns, mental health and other health issues.
bobmac
Major Champion
So what would you do if you were in charge?
Kellfire
Blackballed
Close tax loopholes. Tax the rich more. Try to close the gap between the haves and the have nots.
bobmac
Major Champion
So you'd raise the minimum wage?
Kellfire
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That would be an ultimate aim, yes. How would I do that directly? I don’t know.
bobmac
Major Champion
What would you consider 'enough' to be able to have a smartphone, internet access, good food quality and the ability to socialise.?
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Surely that depends on individual circumstances? ie, location, age, responsibilities etc.
National minimum for over 25. Not living wage. £8.52 an hour. 18k a year.
If they’re a parent etc or have legit reasons for not working I’m not suggesting they don’t deserve help. But if they’re simply full time on social, benefits imo shouldn’t surpass that.
