WW3 -All Russia / Ukraine stuff here please-

Old Skier said:
That’s fine, you have your view, and I have mine and luckily we both have NATO and democracy allowing us to express our views. Unfortunately Ukraine and other countries don’t have that luxury.
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On that we can agree... but I'm still curious as to why NATO should protect the Ukrainian people but not, for example, Ethiopians, or Uyghar Muslims?
Or do you feel that, given how ineffective the UN is, NATO should get involved in all global conflicts?
 
phillarrow said:
On that we can agree... but I'm still curious as to why NATO should protect the Ukrainian people but not, for example, Ethiopians, or Uyghar Muslims?
Or do you feel that, given how ineffective the UN is, NATO should get involved in all global conflicts?
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Unfortunately answering that is above my pay grade but I feel that is both political and and practical. There is also something called intelligence info which may indicate that Putin has far bigger objectives.
Before the start of the 2nd WW there was intelligence that Hitler had far bigger objectives than the ones he stated the political elite didn't believe it. They may have learnt their lesson.
Who knows , anyway off for 4 days on the golf course Trevose calls.
 
Spent the last couple of days with my nephew - he flies to Poland tomorrow morning. The efforts of his friends, friends of friends and random contacts have gone to in order to ensure he has all the kit he needs has overwhelmed him. Half his living room is full of kit but he's finally managed to sort out what he's going to take and the rest will be donated to others willing to make the trip over. It's been an emotional time and he's incredibly stressed but also incredibly determined to go. Last night he messaged "nighty night Aunty A" and I blubbed a wee bit at the thought of him miles from home, cold, in danger and trying to get his head down somewhere for some sleep. He said he'll try and message every night but that may not be possible and I'll be so worried if suddenly I don't get a message.

My poor Sister flew back to Spain yesterday and can't imagine how she's feeling as we all kind of held it together because he wasn't...

Sounds like he's one of many of our veterans going over to support Ukraine.
 
AmandaJR said:
Spent the last couple of days with my nephew - he flies to Poland tomorrow morning. The efforts of his friends, friends of friends and random contacts have gone to in order to ensure he has all the kit he needs has overwhelmed him. Half his living room is full of kit but he's finally managed to sort out what he's going to take and the rest will be donated to others willing to make the trip over. It's been an emotional time and he's incredibly stressed but also incredibly determined to go. Last night he messaged "nighty night Aunty A" and I blubbed a wee bit at the thought of him miles from home, cold, in danger and trying to get his head down somewhere for some sleep. He said he'll try and message every night but that may not be possible and I'll be so worried if suddenly I don't get a message.

My poor Sister flew back to Spain yesterday and can't imagine how she's feeling as we all kind of held it together because he wasn't...

Sounds like he's one of many of our veterans going over to support Ukraine.
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All you can do is stay strong and try not to worry if the messages do dry up. Really feel for you though and I'd hate to have any loved one over there in any guise be that military, medical or some other capacity
 
Reading the stories and seeing the photos of the Russian’s deliberately targeting civilians trying to escape the fighting has brought me round to the conclusion that war is well and truly here whether we like it or not.

Putin has to be stopped either by his own lot (unlikely) or the rest of the world stepping in to do it. The consequences of this will probably be disastrous however WW3 looks like an inevitability at this point so it’s probably about time to call his bluff.
 
williamalex1 said:
I wonder what Trump would've done if he was still in charge.:eek:
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He'd have either gone to war, or pulled out of NATO completely. One extreme or the other.

I'd wonder what Putin would have done had Trump still been in power? Maybe he thought Biden would be a pushover, whereas Trump completely unpredictable.
 
Do we think Putin would have done this if Trump was still President?
 
BiMGuy said:
Do we think Putin would have done this if Trump was still President?
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Well, we had 4 years of demonstration of what he did with Trump there.

I wonder if the change od occupant of the White House gave Putin any encouragement? (And, I don't mean that The Prez rang up and encouraged him!)

I am no expert, but I think the Western response has been WWW3 avoidance first.... if you see what I mean
 
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BiMGuy said:
Do we think Putin would have done this if Trump was still President?
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Without meaning to get too political, I wonder if Putin has been emboldened by what he saw as a more fractured West.

Trump has polarised America like never before, and to the point of verging on civil war.
Brexit polarised Britain and Europe to a greater extent than we've seen since WW2.

My gut instinct is that Putin thought we would not be this united against him, as a result of the infighting he saw in us for the last decade or so.
 
RichA said:
Wasn't there some suggestion that the Kremlin was behind the social media influenced polarisation of the US that ended in Trump's election 6 years ago?
I think this is a long game for Putin that was hatched years ago.
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Yes. Despite the way it was handled in the senate, the investigation gave clear and unequivocal proof that Putin had meddled in the election and Russia was behind the attempts to secure Trump's presidency.
And lo and behold, the first thing Trump said about the invasion was the Putin is a genius!

As you say, Putin has been hatching this for years.
 
phillarrow said:
Yes. Despite the way it was handled in the senate, the investigation gave clear and unequivocal proof that Putin had meddled in the election and Russia was behind the attempts to secure Trump's presidency.
And lo and behold, the first thing Trump said about the invasion was the Putin is a genius!

As you say, Putin has been hatching this for years.
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Not just USA.. brexit had heavy russian interference and a lot of Russian money in our current gov

Building for ages ..
 
https://twitter.com/x/status/1500518522123862025

Not sure if this is Shells wisest move they have made

Also been lots of arrests in Russia with people protesting against the invasion

Been some great stuff from people in the uk donating lots if essentials


I still have that little question hiding -not taking anything away from Ukraine why is there not the same outrage for the actions in Yemen or Palestine , do our western media ignore it so it’s not in our thoughts ?
 
I’m good friends with a few Americans and they say that Putin would never off went ahead with his plans had Trump been in charge.
They feel they are a weaker country with Biden in charge.
I’m not sure myself as I’m not right up there with American politics but it certainly seems plausible…..
 
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