WW3 -All Russia / Ukraine stuff here please-

HomerJSimpson said:
Saw that in the club at lunchtime. Very concerning and you have to hope he has aides that can talk to him and get him to back down from that line of action. Sounds to me like he's hell bent on a world war.
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Is this all Putin, or is he a puppet and it is the people behind the scenes?

It is difficult to understand how he appears to be acting so irrationally, without the people around him doing something about it.

China have failed to condemn Russia publicly, but I wonder what their opinion would be on Russia threatening to use nuclear weapons? Surely even that is a step too far for them.
 
SaintHacker said:
https://news.sky.com/story/russia-v...lear-deterrence-forces-on-high-alert-12553278

:oops::oops::oops:
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this really is just fearmongering bs isnt it?

theyve gone to war, of course all of their forces are on high alert, or are we supposed to expect that a few of them are sitting at home twiddling their thumbs?

the amount of fake news, false reporting and fear mongering, on social media and also in the MSM, at ridiculously high levels inside a few days

another thread i need to put on ignore.......................
 
fundy said:
this really is just fearmongering bs isnt it?

theyve gone to war, of course all of their forces are on high alert, or are we supposed to expect that a few of them are sitting at home twiddling their thumbs?

the amount of fake news, false reporting and fear mongering, on social media and also in the MSM, at ridiculously high levels inside a few days

another thread i need to put on ignore.......................
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A week or 2 ago, would you have said claims Russia may invade the entire of Ukraine, putting the world on high alert and disgust, was fear mongering as well
 
fundy said:
this really is just fearmongering bs isnt it?

theyve gone to war, of course all of their forces are on high alert, or are we supposed to expect that a few of them are sitting at home twiddling their thumbs?

the amount of fake news, false reporting and fear mongering, on social media and also in the MSM, at ridiculously high levels inside a few days

another thread i need to put on ignore.......................
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Yep that’s pretty much it - Putin isn’t stupid enough or mad enough to go near the red button

I have a feeling that he thought Ukraine would crumble quickly but they haven’t and Russia having to rely on old equipment as well

He is desperate for talks now as right now he is starting to come under a lot of pressure internally because those financial sanctions will actually hit hard
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Yep that’s pretty much it - Putin isn’t stupid enough or mad enough to go near the red button

I have a feeling that he thought Ukraine would crumble quickly but they haven’t and Russia having to rely on old equipment as well

He is desperate for talks now as right now he is starting to come under a lot of pressure internally because those financial sanctions will actually hit hard
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Who knows how true that is, Id love what you say to be true but is it really or is that the view that certain areas want to portray currently and the one most of us would like to hear?

There is certainly a lot of very different views being reported currently, most with an agenda behind them
 
fundy said:
Who knows how true that is, Id love what you say to be true but is it really or is that the view that certain areas want to portray currently and the one most of us would like to hear?

There is certainly a lot of very different views being reported currently, most with an agenda behind them
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Putin said the nuclear stuff on the Tele....
 
fundy said:
Who knows how true that is, Id love what you say to be true but is it really or is that the view that certain areas want to portray currently and the one most of us would like to hear?

There is certainly a lot of very different views being reported currently, most with an agenda behind them
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Propaganda right now is people massively played both sides - as you say it’s hard to understand what to believe or not at times , there is also a lot of the anti western ( us/nato ) stuff being driven from inside the western countries as well

The last 7 days have opened up a lot of eyes towards how a conflict is also being fought in the media and crucially on social media as well. It’s going to get worse over the next couple of days

theoneandonly said:
Putin said the nuclear stuff on the Tele....
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He won’t touch Nuclear weapons
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Propaganda right now is people massively played both sides - as you say it’s hard to understand what to believe or not at times , there is also a lot of the anti western ( us/nato ) stuff being driven from inside the western countries as well

The last 7 days have opened up a lot of eyes towards how a conflict is also being fought in the media and crucially on social media as well. It’s going to get worse over the next couple of days



He won’t touch Nuclear weapons
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And you know this how?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Yep that’s pretty much it - Putin isn’t stupid enough or mad enough to go near the red button

I have a feeling that he thought Ukraine would crumble quickly but they haven’t and Russia having to rely on old equipment as well

He is desperate for talks now as right now he is starting to come under a lot of pressure internally because those financial sanctions will actually hit hard
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I'm glad you can read what is on Putin's mind, especially when the rest of the world are struggling.

What will talks get him now? Ukraine are adamant they want Russia gone and they are a sovereign nation, if he just says "fair enough" then his credibility is gone to anyone who actually supported him. And, no matter what happens now, I doubt European countries and companies will be flocking back to "business as usual" with Russia.

I don't see how he gets himself out of this mess now. I just hope he doesn't decided going full on berserk when he is fully backed into a corner he can't get out of.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Propaganda right now is people massively played both sides - as you say it’s hard to understand what to believe or not at times , there is also a lot of the anti western ( us/nato ) stuff being driven from inside the western countries as well

The last 7 days have opened up a lot of eyes towards how a conflict is also being fought in the media and crucially on social media as well. It’s going to get worse over the next couple of days



He won’t touch Nuclear weapons
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Agree 100% with the first 2 sentences, i hope youre right on the 3rd one :)
 
theoneandonly said:
And you know this how?
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Because he knows as soon as that red button is pressed then it’s a World War of consequences out of his control , there is just as much nuclear Arsenal pointing at him - no nuclear power ever wants to press the red button because they know what happens - hence why it’s been 70 plus years since the only two have been used.


It’s about 50 steps up from an invasion into Ukraine.

It’s nothing but an attempt at scaremongering words
 
Does anyone really believe Putin has the sole capability of launching a nuclear weapon?
 
Interesting chat with the eldest son tonight (lance bombardier in the Royal Artillery). The 'inside'word is that the Ukrainians are giving the ruskies are far bigger kicking than is being reported, they already know the russians tactics and have countered them from the off. The russian equipment is old and unreliable compared to the new stuff we (nato) are supplying the Ukraine. Putin expected them to just roll over but that hasnt happened, he also expected support from China but that also hasnt happened so he could be looking at an embarrassing and costly defeat. Would be interesting to know how many US/UK subs are bobbing around the russian coast, just in case...
 
SaintHacker said:
Interesting chat with the eldest son tonight (lance bombardier in the Royal Artillery). The 'inside'word is that the Ukrainians are giving the ruskies are far bigger kicking than is being reported, they already know the russians tactics and have countered them from the off. The russian equipment is old and unreliable compared to the new stuff we (nato) are supplying the Ukraine. Putin expected them to just roll over but that hasnt happened, he also expected support from China but that also hasnt happened so he could be looking at an embarrassing and costly defeat. Would be interesting to know how many US/UK subs are bobbing around the russian coast, just in case...
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Hope it was a secure line ;)
 
Swango1980 said:
I'm glad you can read what is on Putin's mind, especially when the rest of the world are struggling.

What will talks get him now? Ukraine are adamant they want Russia gone and they are a sovereign nation, if he just says "fair enough" then his credibility is gone to anyone who actually supported him. And, no matter what happens now, I doubt European countries and companies will be flocking back to "business as usual" with Russia.

I don't see how he gets himself out of this mess now. I just hope he doesn't decided going full on berserk when he is fully backed into a corner he can't get out of.
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Do you really see Putin as someone who is going to start a nuclear war to save his credibility ? - he has no credibility anyway , that was long gone and he prob doesn’t give too hoots

His Russian Military are not as powerful as he thought and it takes more than weight of numbers - it will be messy for a few more days and then there will be a ceasefire followed by a slow withdrawal

And Putin would be removed before he went near any button to start a nuclear war
 
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