WW3 -All Russia / Ukraine stuff here please-

BiMGuy said:
Now we are all also experts in industrial scale manufacturing. Could someone answer the following.

What would we be manufacturing?
Where would all the factories be built?
Where is all the labour coming from?
How much of an increase in cost are we going to have to swallow?
How long will it take to get us up and running?
And who will buy our goods?
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Haven't heard anyone claiming expertise, but a future of continued funding of autocratic war machines, just because they have the cheapest fossil fuels and electrical goods, seems like something we should be moving away from.
 
RichA said:
Haven't heard anyone claiming expertise, but a future of continued funding of autocratic war machines, just because they have the cheapest fossil fuels and electrical goods, seems like something we should be moving away from.
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Cheap hydrocarbons, imported cheap consumable goods and laundering of dodgy money is pretty much the entire basis of our economy.
Take those away and we're back to banging rocks together.
 
Old Skier said:
Our problem is WE want cheap and don't care where it comes from. Time to get realistic and pay the going rate for things that are and can be produced here.
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WE don't always have the choice; the laptop on which I'm replying is an Apple MacBook, so I think it's fair to say I wasn't looking for the cheapest option but the one I perceived to be the best one (computer pedants please don't start...). Look on the back; Designed in USA, Assembled in China. Even if we as consumers want to avoid buying from there, can we?

And one part of the equation in the demise of our industry has to be quality; the reason that Japanese cars gained such a foothold over their British counterparts was the reliability, much the same as their electrical goods. At an independent garage that I used to use, all the mechanics used to drive Japanese cars; when I asked why, the response was "we spend all week fixing yours, we don't want to spend the weekend fixing ours." Is it that we want it cheap, or that we want it to work?

I'd like to avoid putting my money into certain pockets, but short of buying nothing it's bloody hard to do.
 
Blue in Munich said:
WE don't always have the choice; the laptop on which I'm replying is an Apple MacBook, so I think it's fair to say I wasn't looking for the cheapest option but the one I perceived to be the best one (computer pedants please don't start...). Look on the back; Designed in USA, Assembled in China. Even if we as consumers want to avoid buying from there, can we?

And one part of the equation in the demise of our industry has to be quality; the reason that Japanese cars gained such a foothold over their British counterparts was the reliability, much the same as their electrical goods. At an independent garage that I used to use, all the mechanics used to drive Japanese cars; when I asked why, the response was "we spend all week fixing yours, we don't want to spend the weekend fixing ours." Is it that we want it cheap, or that we want it to work?

I'd like to avoid putting my money into certain pockets, but short of buying nothing it's bloody hard to do.
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Spot on!

Everything is outsourced , we don't have much control where we buy stuff from

Plus we want quality , sometimes the best stuff isn't British made .. the fault or repair delay fords speak for themselves at a time .. plus the master keys being stolen... Or the locks you could smash with a screw driver and hammer

It would be great to bring some things back in house in terms of production

I really hope we crack nuclear and fusion energy and produce more ourselfs but also want to see more solar about... More storage for the gas we buy and produce
 
Dando said:
Seeing vitali klitschko getting ready to defend his capital.

Not sure we’d see mr khan doing that here
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Dont think you would see Joshua do it either....... more comparable ..

might see Fury
 
pauljames87 said:
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Plus we want quality , sometimes the best stuff isn't British made .. the fault or repair delay fords speak for themselves at a time .. plus the master keys being stolen... Or the locks you could smash with a screw driver and hammer

It would be great to bring some things back in house in terms of production

I really hope we crack nuclear and fusion energy and produce more ourselfs but also want to see more solar about... More storage for the gas we buy and produce
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Dedication to Quality played a major role in Japan's recovery - plenty of examples in the motor industry that also reduce 'industrial disease' too. In-house isn't necessarily the best for every part of the process either. Vehicle producers don't manufacture tyres, brakes and instruments for example.
 
stefanovic said:
What's the closest the Doomsday Clock has been?

Set last month before the war in Ukraine:
The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists announced on Jan. 20 that the hands of the Doomsday Clock remain at 100 seconds to midnight—the closest it has ever been to apocalypse.

It's not all about nuclear.
The human infestation of this planet is now approaching 6 billion more than what is sustainable taking into account the earth's available biomass.
At age 72 why should I care?
But I do, not for me but for future generations.
As Einstein said: I don't know what World War 3 will be fought with, but World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones.
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Global Population is due to decline post 2070. Do some research
 
stefanovic said:
What's the closest the Doomsday Clock has been?

Set last month before the war in Ukraine:
The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists announced on Jan. 20 that the hands of the Doomsday Clock remain at 100 seconds to midnight—the closest it has ever been to apocalypse.

It's not all about nuclear.
The human infestation of this planet is now approaching 6 billion more than what is sustainable taking into account the earth's available biomass.
At age 72 why should I care?
But I do, not for me but for future generations.
As Einstein said: I don't know what World War 3 will be fought with, but World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones.
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Well, the fact that it hasn't changed since 2020 is relatively good news.
And I note you, ever the pessimist, take the worst (?) case value (of 65 estimates) of sustainable population!
 
pauljames87 said:
Goes back to short term thinking and short term money making.

For example the dartford crossing over the thames being sold off to an outside company, instant money into HMRC but imagine having that toll drip feeding, yes it was suppose to be free once cost of building had been covered but change always happens.. So it used to be £1 and manned by toll attendants now its like £2.50 a pop, ANPR cameras , so easy to get the money in .. yet thats been sold to someone rather than being a constant feed of money which would be great

It always goes back to the obsession with "balancing the books" so short term making savings in ways that in a few years its goes back when someone else takes over

Just a constant way of working would be good with a clear plan
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I trust you realise that the current charge is, allowing for inflation, less than the original charge (2shillings and 6 pence or 12.5p) - even though 'cost of building' was covered some time ago.
 
Foxholer said:
I trust you realise that the current charge is, allowing for inflation, less than the original charge (2shillings and 6 pence or 12.5p) - even though 'cost of building' was covered some time ago.
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The amount itself isn't the point, how many cars use it a day? 130,000 so £325,000 a day .. call it £250,000 incase of discounts and time based use .. that's almost 2 million a week gone from the pot
 
There seems to be a lot of disapproval of this invasion by Russian people according to some media. How can Putin expect this to end well, its just brutal and creating more NATO not less.
 
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