Would you buy a diesel?

[Lord Tyrion]

Sorry - wasn’t trying to pick an argument, or even disagreeing with you. All I meant as being ‘debunked’ was the assertion that 6 ships are more than equivalent to the whole of the land based diesel pollution.

I can’t remember the statistics in the program, but pretty sure they supported the assessment that shipping is a bigger driver of the pollution, just nowhere near the stated 6 biggest vessels being the equivalent of land based.

If we ever go to the same meet we have to play as a pair if it is better ball. The idea of Tyrion and the Cookie Monster playing golf together is just making me chuckle. I know the reality behind the avatars is a different beast but the image is chucklesome.

Good post by the way.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I think I'd avoid buying a diesel

 

[patricks148]

I think I'd avoid buying a diesel

is that because you prefer steam or are you still on horse and cart?

 

[Smiffy]

I know I've only been selling Peugeot's for 18 months or so, but the one car in the range that has really surprised me is the 308 130PS Blue HDi. Amazing economy and a lovely car to drive.
I'd buy one tomorrow.

 

[harpo_72]

I think the tax on new cars and company car tax format has hit the auto manufacturers. It’s cheaper to run a dirty old non EU6 diesel than a new one.
I am also not a fan of small engines, give me a big engine and i’ll get more mpg out of it driving to work.

 

[USER1999]

I am also not a fan of small engines, give me a big engine and i’ll get more mpg out of it driving to work.

I am also not a fan of hair dryers, but there is a limit as to how economical a big engine can be. The most economical car in the familly fleet does 28 mpg average.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I've had little engines, medium engines, petrol and diesel. The best is my current 2.0d auto superb. I'm getting an average of 52mpg for regular driving compared to the 46mpg for a V60 1.6d that was supposed to be an eco engine. Little engines in heavy cars are pants. The engine needs to match the car.

 

[spongebob59]

I had the 1 litre hond a civic as a courstesy car a few weeks back and wow, thought it was better than my 1.8 !

Very tempted to get one next car change.

 

[jim8flog]

I know I've only been selling Peugeot's for 18 months or so, but the one car in the range that has really surprised me is the 308 130PS Blue HDi. Amazing economy and a lovely car to drive.
I'd buy one tomorrow.

I do not know what the difference is between a 130PS and mine which 2.0litre 150 BHP Estate but it is one of the nicest cars to drive I have owned and I get 45-50 to the gallon and most driving is either urban or high speed motorway/dual carriageway. Reckon it would be a lot more economical if I wore lighter shoes.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

All very well having much smaller capacity engines, but they have to work much harder to give the output of the marger engines. Couple that with an overall reduction of component strength and build and you see a lot more engines now going pop, such as the Ford Ecotec's, VW TFSI and BMW cam chains and so on.
I also dont think the modern trend for20k and more mileage servicing intervals dont help the long term situation either.

 

[USER1999]

I would suggest cam belts go regularly, but I am surprised chains go. I would expect a cam chain to do 250k odd easily.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

I would suggest cam belts go regularly, but I am surprised chains go. I would expect a cam chain to do 250k odd easily.

With chains and oil change intervals the way they used to be I agree Not any more.

 

[USER1999]

I have no idea on the service intervals on my current cars. Z4, every year, whether it needs it or not. I think the intervals are 16k, and AMG, no idea, but am guessing 6k miles. So due about march next year ish. I would never go more than 12 months without a service, what ever the book says.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

VW longlife servicing (as loved by lease co's etc) 20k miles, BMW 18K miles.
Some people get an interim oil change, or at least top up the oil when its low. Many dont.

 

[williamalex1]

Cruising is a growing market as well. There are also huge numbers of ocean haulage vessels.

It is interesting what is fashionable to beat. Diesel cars and plastics are the current enemy but other issues are ignored and the benefits of alternatives played up. I heard someone from the food industry recently warning about how removing all plastics will massively increase the amount of food wastage that we have for example. You give with one, take with another. In my industry a wipes mfr was telling me how it takes far more energy and resources to produce recycled wipes than virgin ones. Customers still ask him for recycled wipes though, claiming it will benefit the environment when he can show this is not true (he can make both so he did not have a vested interest in one above the other)

Why not just make bio de-gradable wipes, same idea as the bio de-gradable waste food bin bags.

 

[Smiffy]

All very well having much smaller capacity engines, but they have to work much harder to give the output of the larger engines.

Not so..................
When I worked for Ford (many years ago) I used to run our Focus 1.6 demonstrator. That was producing 98PS. At 70mph it would be turning over at just over 3,000 revs. The countries number one selling car and won award after award.
Fast forward 20 years.
Peugeot 3008 1.2 3 cylinder. Now producing 130PS. At the same 3,000 revs it's covering the ground at over 90mph. At 70mph it's showing just over 2. So it's working less. Even taking into account it's extra gear, leave it in 5th and it's still revving lower than the Ford. And it's more economical. And it's much cleaner. Modern engines are a revelation.

 

[Smiffy]

I do not know what the difference is between a 130PS and mine which 2.0litre 150 BHP Estate but it is one of the nicest cars to drive I have owned and I get 45-50 to the gallon and most driving is either urban or high speed motorway/dual carriageway. Reckon it would be a lot more economical if I wore lighter shoes.

PS is just the modern day equivalent of BHP and they are very similar. The newer Peugeot engine is a 1.6 Diesel, in fact they've just introduced a brand new 1.5 Diesel that is cleaner and meets the new European 6.2 regulations.
The 1.6 Blue HDi engine fitted to the 308 is a flier. Takes off like a scalded cat, and if I had my pick of any car in our range, this would be the one.
When I was running our demonstrator, I was regularly seeing just over 60 to the gallon, it never dipped below 55.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Why not just make bio de-gradable wipes, same idea as the bio de-gradable waste food bin bags.

They will move in that direction. Not as easy as it seems though. People want a product to do a particular job, have certain characteristics. If you change the composition then the product starts to become compromised. People are going to have to accept compromises in quality and what a product can do but who wants to be the company that sells a product that has certain weaknesses?

Mfrs are working on this but it will take a while to get it right and the products be rolled out.

 

[Andy]

The 1.6 Blue HDi engine fitted to the 308 is a flier. Takes off like a scalded cat

What's the 0-60?

 

[GreiginFife]

What's the 0-60?

About a fortnight ...

I am quite happy with having a diesel having previously had a petrol. Both 3 litre and both twin turbo. Petrol gave me more raw power (BHP) but the diesel gives masses more torque which give it the same 0-62 of 4.9 secs. Big difference though is the diesel gives me 43-45mpg where the petrol was giving me 25-28mpg.

I also have more boot space but obviously that's nowt to do wit t'engine.

Hybrids and fully electrics will have their day, it's just not now for me. Tesla is an attractive option, the Model S is a stunning car and great to drive but far too pricey at the minute for me.