Would you buy a diesel?

[road2ruin]

I got rid of my Skoda Octavia VRS which was a diesel and replaced with an Audi S4. Main reason for replacement was a reduction in miles so had no real need for a diesel.

We’ll be in the market to replace our second car next year and will look at a hybrid

 

[Bunkermagnet]

with the Governments all trying to phase out Petrol and diesel vehicles, are they all not going to be billions £ shortfall once people stop buying fuel ???

Watch your utility bills sky rocket

 

[Beedee]

When you say North Bristol, is it in a set of large white buildings near UWE? I work there so may be looking to join you for golf sometime

Might take you up on that sometime.

Near UWE but not the large white buildings. Actually we're moving offices in a few weeks to a stone's throw away from the Kendleshire. Looking forward to next season and the longer nights after work.

 

[Slime]

I'd buy a diesel in a heartbeat, take a look at Kia's and Hyundai's ...................... you might be surprised!
I'll keep buying diesels until a sensible alternative is available, and by sensible I mean hydrogen fuel cells.
Don't get me started on electric cars!!!

 

[Deleted member 21784]

I'd buy a diesel in a heartbeat, take a look at Kia's and Hyundai's ...................... you might be surprised!
I'll keep buying diesels until a sensible alternative is available, and by sensible I mean hydrogen fuel cells.
Don't get me started on electric cars!!!

Someone at work (the into science guy lol) raised an interesting point .. what exactly will they do with all the diesel left over, dump it in the ocean? Considering it’s a byproduct when petrol is made

 

[Robster59]

This. Every wee while it is good to take the car for a spirited blast, or at least drive it in a lower gear so the exhaust gets hot enough to burn any deposits off the dpf sensor.

It's otherwise known as "The Italian Tune-Up"

 

[Deleted member 18121]

Just got rid of HIDs diesel, lots of issues around the dpf. Local garage said seeing lots of these coming in. Back to petrol.

Just out of interest.... What kind of driving did she do? I ask as the dpf issues are normally related to town cars that don't get a regular kicking at decent speeds and acceleration.

 

[Deleted member 18121]

with the Governments all trying to phase out Petrol and diesel vehicles, are they all not going to be billions £ shortfall once people stop buying fuel ???

Absolutely, I was talking to a guy at work yesterday about this and they're going to have to find (as a conservative estimate) £75bn a year in lost revenue...... Which in my mind is why the battery powered car is "years away" simply because governments will lose too much money and massive oil companies would suddenly lose a lot of business. It's all a conspiracy!

 

[spongebob59]

Just out of interest.... What kind of driving did she do? I ask as the dpf issues are normally related to town cars that don't get a regular kicking at decent speeds and acceleration.

Blast down the thanet way twice a day, pretty much dual carriageway all the way.
Even when the local garage did a dp f regen it didn't work.

 

[Matty6]

I bought a Volvo V90 diesel earlier this year on a 4 year deal with a lump to pay at the end. The reason for this is that the pure electric has not sufficient range for me. I would need a charging point putting in and I aimed move house within a year. I also feel that development of engines will increase, such that, in 4 years, technology and taxation will be completely different to now. My mileage is high enough and the economy of diesel worthwhile. I can then hand the car back after 4 years without a problem and get something that suits the new situation.

Pretty much the exact same situation for me, Mark! I’m waiting for my new car to be delivered next month, which is on a 4 year deal too. Once the deal finishes I’m hoping the hybrid/full electric landscape will have developed more than it has.

 

[Slime]

Someone at work (the into science guy lol) raised an interesting point .. what exactly will they do with all the diesel left over, dump it in the ocean? Considering it’s a byproduct when petrol is made

I recently read that the pollution created by EVERY diesel land vehicle in the world is less than the pollution created by just the six largest freight liners on our oceans!

 

[Deleted member 18121]

I recently read that the pollution created by EVERY diesel land vehicle in the world is less than the pollution created by just the six largest freight liners on our oceans!

That sounded like an astonishing figure, so I thought I'd check it out for myself...... allegedly:

"One cruise ship emits as many air pollutants as five million cars going the same distance "

That's absolutely incredible.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

I recently read that the pollution created by EVERY diesel land vehicle in the world is less than the pollution created by just the six largest freight liners on our oceans!

I found out the other day that cars aren't even the biggest polluter in london... its boilers in houses / buildings.. and until we find a way to heat our house that isnt gas it will always be the biggest polluter .. banning cars wont solve a thing

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Cruising is a growing market as well. There are also huge numbers of ocean haulage vessels.

It is interesting what is fashionable to beat. Diesel cars and plastics are the current enemy but other issues are ignored and the benefits of alternatives played up. I heard someone from the food industry recently warning about how removing all plastics will massively increase the amount of food wastage that we have for example. You give with one, take with another. In my industry a wipes mfr was telling me how it takes far more energy and resources to produce recycled wipes than virgin ones. Customers still ask him for recycled wipes though, claiming it will benefit the environment when he can show this is not true (he can make both so he did not have a vested interest in one above the other)

 

[Bunkermagnet]

The problem it’s easy to hit the diesel car owner and nimbyism comes to the fore.
Wasn’t it last year was the first time in a very long time our CO2 output had increased, no doubt due to the increase of petrol car sales over diesel. Hybrids aren’t really helping as most people run them on petrol only and only have hybrid for the tax benefit (understandable)
We have suddenly become aware of what plastic waste is doing to the natural world, but we don’t consider the damage we are doing by going hybrid or electric.
Ultimately hydrogen fuel cell is the real answer, but policy makers won’t push it or direct things that way.
One day some one in power will realise that there is no perfect answer and every form of transport has an impact in one way or another on the environment. Currently it looks like headless chickens are running the show.

 

[Cake]

I recently read that the pollution created by EVERY diesel land vehicle in the world is less than the pollution created by just the six largest freight liners on our oceans!

I’m pretty sure I remember this being somewhat debunked on Radio 4’s More or Less program/podcast as being the result of a thought experiment using the least efficient example of Diesel engines, and the worst diesel fuel... so a really worst case scenario rather than what is actually happening in the real world.

Not saying the numbers they came up with were not bad, but not as bad as the reporting of this of hypothetical thinking made out.

I can’t find a link to the specific podcast episode else I’d direct you to it... the program in general is very good for picking up on stats used in the news and giving better context to the way they were intended to be interpreted rather than the way the headline writers latch on to them... I’d recommend it to anyone. They had an episode on way numbers of deaths were reported (or not reported) in the days after the Grenfell tragedy that was very good.

 

[jim8flog]

I drive auto box
The difference in in the licence fee of over £200 for a 2.0L petrol auto (Roughly £245 ) and an 2.0L ECO diesel (£30) was a big factor in my decision let alone the difference in fuel running costs.

The type of driving I do means it does get a blast up and down the A303 fairly regularly just to keep the filter clear.

Residual value means nothing to me as I usually keep my cars for around 8 years so expect them to have no real value when I get rid of them.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

I’m pretty sure I remember this being somewhat debunked on Radio 4’s More or Less program/podcast as being the result of a thought experiment using the least efficient example of Diesel engines, and the worst diesel fuel... so a really worst case scenario rather than what is actually happening in the real world.

Not saying the numbers they came up with were not bad, but not as bad as the reporting of this of hypothetical thinking made out.

I can’t find a link to the specific podcast episode else I’d direct you to it... the program in general is very good for picking up on stats used in the news and giving better context to the way they were intended to be interpreted rather than the way the headline writers latch on to them... I’d recommend it to anyone. They had an episode on way numbers of deaths were reported (or not reported) in the days after the Grenfell tragedy that was very good.

I think you'll find that sea transport and air travel create lots more pollution of any sort than your diesel cars, but as it's internationally supplied fuel the government daren't go near them as they know those operators will just get their fuel elsewhere.

 

[Cake]

I think you'll find that sea transport and air travel create lots more pollution of any sort than your diesel cars, but as it's internationally supplied fuel the government daren't go near them as they know those operators will just get their fuel elsewhere.

Sorry - wasn’t trying to pick an argument, or even disagreeing with you. All I meant as being ‘debunked’ was the assertion that 6 ships are more than equivalent to the whole of the land based diesel pollution.

I can’t remember the statistics in the program, but pretty sure they supported the assessment that shipping is a bigger driver of the pollution, just nowhere near the stated 6 biggest vessels being the equivalent of land based.

 

[badgb21]

Is this it?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3cstyfd

I’m pretty sure I remember this being somewhat debunked on Radio 4’s More or Less program/podcast as being the result of a thought experiment using the least efficient example of Diesel engines, and the worst diesel fuel... so a really worst case scenario rather than what is actually happening in the real world.

Not saying the numbers they came up with were not bad, but not as bad as the reporting of this of hypothetical thinking made out.

I can’t find a link to the specific podcast episode else I’d direct you to it... the program in general is very good for picking up on stats used in the news and giving better context to the way they were intended to be interpreted rather than the way the headline writers latch on to them... I’d recommend it to anyone. They had an episode on way numbers of deaths were reported (or not reported) in the days after the Grenfell tragedy that was very good.