World Handicap System

[jim8flog]

Probably been asked but can't see it. Today I sign in to be told my handicap is 12 but my playing handicap for the competition is 13. That I understand. What I don't get is when I enter my score into how did I doday it shows it as only have 12 deducted from the gross and not 13. I know what handicap purposes it doesn't matter but for place in the tournament it does. Is this the same for everyone?

Yes

 

[Swango1980]

I guess you mean Handicap Index which is expressed as a decimal figure (12.x).But am surprised that your CH is only 13. What is the Course Rating, Slope & Par and your actual Index?

Probably not that surprising, depending on the decimal of his Index, slope could be anything from 123 to 132, which is pretty common.

Taking a leaf from your common advice, why is par relevant?

 

[rulefan]

Probably not that surprising, depending on the decimal of his Index, slope could be anything from 123 to 132, which is pretty common.

Taking a leaf from your common advice, why is par relevant?

Because he is in Edinburgh and the CH formula in Scotland is different. ie (CR-Par) is added at the end.
In England, Wales & Ireland it is just CH = HI x (CR/Slope)(Slope/113)

 

[Swango1980]

Because he is in Edinburgh and the CH formula in Scotland is different. ie (CR-Par) is added at the end.
In England, Wales & Ireland it is just CH = HI x (CR/Slope)

Really, you learn something every day.

I thought CR-Par was only used in the likes of USA and OZ. I thought the only main difference in Scotland was they have Course Handicap as a decimal. Do they not use the same WHS Manual as we do in England, in which the Course Handicap formula does not include CR-Par (Paragraph 6.1a in manual). If so, where does it say they use CR-Par in Scotland?

 

[rulefan]

Really, you learn something every day.

I thought CR-Par was only used in the likes of USA and OZ. I thought the only main difference in Scotland was they have Course Handicap as a decimal. Do they not use the same WHS Manual as we do in England, in which the Course Handicap formula does not include CR-Par (Paragraph 6.1a in manual). If so, where does it say they use CR-Par in Scotland?

CONGU England, Ireland and Wales are the odd ones out when calculating CH in ignoring Par.
Scotland uses the unrounded CH only when calculating the PH.
I haven't seen the Scottish Manual but my EG version has England Golf printed on the front.
Incidentally Australia do not use CH and PH but have merged them to have a Daily Handicap.

 

[Swango1980]

England, Ireland and Wales are the odd ones out when calculating CH in ignoring Par.
Scotland uses the unrounded CH only when calculating the PH.
I haven't seen the Scottish Manual but my English version has England Golf printed on the front.
Incidentally Australia do not use CH and PH but have merged them to have a Daily Handicap.

Yeah, Oz's Index is called GA Handicap, and CR-Par AND 93% embedded into Daily Handicap

Makes me wonder even more why England and the other few felt they knew better than the rest of the world, not to include CR-Par

 

[Swango1980]

England, Ireland and Wales are the odd ones out when calculating CH in ignoring Par.
Scotland uses the unrounded CH only when calculating the PH.
I haven't seen the Scottish Manual but my EG version has England Golf printed on the front.
Incidentally Australia do not use CH and PH but have merged them to have a Daily Handicap.

I've just gone onto the Scottish Golf website. Under course handicap, their formula is same as ours (no CR-Par)

 

[Colin L]

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Because he is in Edinburgh and the CH formula in Scotland is different. ie (CR-Par) is added at the end.
In England, Wales & Ireland it is just CH = HI x (CR/Slope)

Hang on, that's doubly not right. The only differences amongst the unions are that in Scotland playing handicaps are calculated (correctly, in accordance with WHS rules) using the unrounded value of the Course Handicap and in Ireland match play and 4 ball scores are experimentally being accepted.

For an 18 hole round, CH = HI x Slope Rating/113 in tartan land. No CR-Par, just as in the rest of CONGU.

And CR has slipped into your formula without your noticing.

Nice glass of claret involved, I hope

 

[rulefan]

I've just gone onto the Scottish Golf website. Under course handicap, their formula is same as ours (no CR-Par)

OOPS.
Just checked my notes. I was mixing up rounding and CR-par. You are correct, Scotland is only different in using the unrounded value for PH calculation.

I am altering previous posts.

 

[rulefan]

And CR has slipped into your formula without your noticing.

Where?

Nice glass of claret involved, I hope

It was last night's few glasses of Rioja to blame.

 

[rulefan]

Makes me wonder even more why England and the other few felt they knew better than the rest of the world, not to include CR-Par

My understanding is that it helps with relating 36 stableford points to 'playing to handicap'. I can understand why Oz are so keen but why the row?

 

[Colin L]

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Because he is in Edinburgh and the CH formula in Scotland is different. ie (CR-Par) is added at the end.
In England, Wales & Ireland it is just CH = HI x (CR/Slope)

I should have remembered Rioja was your favoured red.

 

[rulefan]

(CR/Slope)


I'd better switch to claret but although we normally holiday in France every year I'm not really a Francophile.

 

[Colin L]

(CR/Slope)


I'd better switch to claret but although we normally holiday in France every year I'm not really a Francophile.

Judging by the above, orange juice might be safer.

 

[rulefan]

 

[badgergm]

Yes, understand that. Didn't express that very well. But what I mean is that pre-WHS there was no difference handicap wise between a net bogey (hole lost) and a net double bogey (hole lost). Is that still the case in WHS? Would seem potentially advantageous handicap wise - i.e. max score is max bogey.

But I see that Rule 21.3b still says "To help pace of play, players are encouraged to stop playing a hole when their score exceeds the fixed score (as they have lost the hole)."

Had our bogey comp yesterday. For handicap, worked exactly like a medal/ stableFord. Off 7, was 7 over, with 2 net double bogeys, and 1 net eagle. Won 1 up. No adjustment to gross score.

So, different to pre- WHS. one occasion where I played differentl, prioritising handicap over competitio.

R&A should update the rule quoted above.

 

[clubchamp98]

On the WHS portal what does Low Handicap Index mean?
It says 6.5 but my HI is 6.1.
Is this correct?

 

[wjemather]

On the WHS portal what does Low Handicap Index mean?
It says 6.5 but my HI is 6.1.
Is this correct?

Low Index is your lowest index during the 12 months prior to the last score you entered. When you next submit a score, your Low Index will change to 6.1.

 

[IanM]

Had our bogey comp yesterday. For handicap, worked exactly like a medal/ stableFord. Off 7, was 7 over, with 2 net double bogeys, and 1 net eagle. Won 1 up. No adjustment to gross score.

So, different to pre- WHS. one occasion where I played differentl, prioritising handicap over competition.

R&A should update the rule quoted above.

Exactly...that's where trying to make everything count for handicap comes unravelled. I'd pick up in "bogey comps" as soon as I'd lost the hole. That could mean my score for handicap is lower than it would have been or if I key NR for the hole, it would be worse than in reality. Depending on how I chose to key it! The committee wouldn't know either, as we are not submitting cards, but keying into the App

 

[IanM]

Low Index is your lowest index during the 12 months prior to the last score you entered. When you next submit a score, your Low Index will change to 6.1.

We'll see! Hopefully it will