SocketRocket
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Woolwich soldier killing
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SwingsitlikeHogan
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Oh dear. Watching the news and - not for the first time - the British public are getting rather carried away and are emoting over the death of someone they didn't know - to wit a Woolwich 'shrine' and 'avenue of flowers' are being created as an 'endless' stream of 'well-wishers' visit the location of the lads murder.
Please. Enough. Desist. Not necessary and in truth all rather a bit more about self and not really about the lad. If you care that much, and even if you don't, please just go to a church and say a prayer for him to your own god, or go sit in a field surrounded by the beauty of nature and thank your higher power, whatever that is, for the life you and your loved ones have - and give thanks for the life of Lee Rigby. But please - cut out this 'must be part of self-righteous eventism'.
Please. Enough. Desist. Not necessary and in truth all rather a bit more about self and not really about the lad. If you care that much, and even if you don't, please just go to a church and say a prayer for him to your own god, or go sit in a field surrounded by the beauty of nature and thank your higher power, whatever that is, for the life you and your loved ones have - and give thanks for the life of Lee Rigby. But please - cut out this 'must be part of self-righteous eventism'.
stevie_r
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I see H4H have told the EDL don't want any donations from them - nor indeed from any political party. EDL and SDL protests will be ramped up and more frequent now - football season is over
SocketRocket
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Many people feel that they need to share a grief that cannot be expressed personally, they need to share their feelings such that it expresses a collective disgust for the actions of these low life fanatics.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Maybe - but grieving over somone you don't know? and sharing your 'grief' with folks you don't know? I fully understand that we can all be very angry and sad about this and it is upsetting - but grief...?
So I fully understand what you say - but I'm afraid that I don't buy it. Yet again a public event is being made of a personal and family tragedy and that to me is rather tasteless and selfish. But I am not surprised - just rather saddened - this 'outpouring' being to my mind, and I accept may in the minoriyt on this, just another symptom of the 'me' society (if there can be such a thing) that many of us choose to inhabit these days.
G1BB0
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I think it sums up the general feeling across the country so any event like this is going to bring on a mass display of public emotion.
I do feel the event as shocking as it was has been overplayed by the media. For me its not so much a terrorist attack but more a mindless murder by 2 nutters. Unfortunately there are far too many these days
I do feel the event as shocking as it was has been overplayed by the media. For me its not so much a terrorist attack but more a mindless murder by 2 nutters. Unfortunately there are far too many these days
Whee
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It's weird mate. As the event played out, standing there watching was the sensible thing to do, no denying that.
The 2 idiots floated around the scene and didn't seem intent on causing anybody else any harm. I'm just surprised that there wasn't a couple of have a go hero types (especially when you consider the location) who tried to get involved before it became apparent that these lunatics were going to stop and wait.
SocketRocket
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I think it sums up the general feeling across the country so any event like this is going to bring on a mass display of public emotion.
I do feel the event as shocking as it was has been overplayed by the media. For me its not so much a terrorist attack but more a mindless murder by 2 nutters. Unfortunately there are far too many these days
Stabbing a young soldier to death and decapitating him in the street in broad daylight is a terrorist attack. If it's not then I shudder to think what is.
Lets be clear what they are as well. They are not a pair of your 'run of the mill nutters', they are Muslim extremests in our country who are hell bent on using terror for their political and religious beliefs.
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SwingsitlikeHogan
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All depends upon what you are referring to. I agree that across the country the general feeling is one of horror and shock, and sympathy for the lad's family and friends. The need or urge to make a 'big thing' of it on the ground as in 'shrine' and public grief - is not a need or feeling I share. But maybe that's just me. We the public and they the politicians don't need emotion at the moment - we need calmness and clarity of thought and purpose. These and too much emoting and emotion are not happy bedfellows.
Whee
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I think it lies somewhere between both of your labels of it. It's not an act of terror, but it's more than a mindless murder.
Terrorist attacks are bigger scale, as sad as it is to categorise these events.
This was a fairly calculated attack, based on political and radicalised religious beliefs.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Actually I think that it is fair to label this as a terrorist attack (though in truth why do we actually need a label). In the bad old NI IRA days, murders of individual off-duty soldiers were terrorist attacks/murders - often done by 'loose cannon' from the fringes of such as the IRA. Let's not get too hung up about semantics though, as that does tend to get in the way of understanding and getting to the root of what these sort of incidents are about.
