Woods - What revolution

[Dodger]

Interested to hear exactly when Woods said he was bigger than the game of golf??

Answers on a postcard to Ethan please because he is still looking for the answer to jammag's question.

Deflect deflect,and you say Woods was going to run for a senate seat....

 

[19thagain]

Tiger - Golfing Role model??

Seve - Golfing Role model?

No Contest!!

I feel the contrast between them unfortunately shows Woods for what he is ... a cardboard cut out that CAN play golf.

 

[Monty_Brown]

The idea of Tiger Woods starting "a revolution in golf" was surely the invention of the Nike marketing department. Did he ever really want to transform the game before they told him that was the message they wanted to push?

Nike was looking around the world of sports and saw that they had used football and basketball to tap into a massive young, urban market that would buy their shoes and sportswear. Golf was an untapped market in that respect. As an aside, check out the Nike basketball advert "The Revolution" from circa 1995... they'd already tried the concept out before Tiger was given a crack with it.

And as for the lack of black players on the US Tour. To achieve that, you need more black kids to take up the game, join clubs, practice a lot, get decent equipment, go through the college system and then make it through the Tour ranks.

The fact is that the above process is incredibly expensive. Then consider the basic socioeconomic structure of the US, in which black people are still among the poorest in that country, for whatever reasons.

Tiger and Nike may have wanted to inspire young black American kids to join the Pro game, but they couldn't change the composition of the richest economy in the world to make sure they got there.

 

[Ethan]

Interested to hear exactly when Woods said he was bigger than the game of golf??

Answers on a postcard to Ethan please because he is still looking for the answer to jammag's question.

Deflect deflect,and you say Woods was going to run for a senate seat....

Oh piss off. Put that on a postcard if you like.

 

[Dodger]

Interested to hear exactly when Woods said he was bigger than the game of golf??

Answers on a postcard to Ethan please because he is still looking for the answer to jammag's question.

Deflect deflect,and you say Woods was going to run for a senate seat....

Oh piss off. Put that on a postcard if you like.

Busted. As you like to bleat,don't believe everything the press say.

 

[Ethan]

Interested to hear exactly when Woods said he was bigger than the game of golf??

Answers on a postcard to Ethan please because he is still looking for the answer to jammag's question.

Deflect deflect,and you say Woods was going to run for a senate seat....

Oh piss off. Put that on a postcard if you like.

Busted. As you like to bleat,don't believe everything the press say.

Not busted at all, nor did I say anything about believing the press. The only bleating you hear is from sheep. You really should stop it.

Just not going to indulge a piss artist who throws snide remarks. Start a serious discussion, we can continue. Otherwise, please refer to the post I made above.

 

[Dodger]

Interested to hear exactly when Woods said he was bigger than the game of golf??

Answers on a postcard to Ethan please because he is still looking for the answer to jammag's question.

Deflect deflect,and you say Woods was going to run for a senate seat....

Oh piss off. Put that on a postcard if you like.

Busted. As you like to bleat,don't believe everything the press say.

Not busted at all, nor did I say anything about believing the press. The only bleating you hear is from sheep. You really should stop it.

Just not going to indulge a piss artist who throws snide remarks. Start a serious discussion, we can continue. Otherwise, please refer to the post I made above.

If you want a serious discussion try starting it by answering the question asked about when did Woods claim he was bigger than the game of golf....I await your reply.

 

[Slicedwight]

Surely the original article was questionning how influencel Tiger Woods has been for a) golf and b) coloured people getting involved in Golf. Well on the first count he is the most influencel golfer of the last 20 yrs, Golf has a younger feel to it nowdays, its cool now not just an excuse for your dad and others with a middle aged spread to spend as much time out the house as possible as was the case when i was growing up, love him or hate him woods (and yes nike) have a massive part to play in that. On the second count to be fair Golf is never going to be as accessible as other sports to those who tend to have a tougher or poorer background, but its not alone in that, i run a kids Rugby team and it is pretty similar there, in all the local sides there are maybe one or two coloured lads its just the way it is and will probably always be,I also play Tennis once a week and have yet to see a coloured player locally. But tiger has been a massive influence on young coloured kids taking up and excelling at sport in general im sure.

 

[Ethan]

Interested to hear exactly when Woods said he was bigger than the game of golf??

Answers on a postcard to Ethan please because he is still looking for the answer to jammag's question.

Deflect deflect,and you say Woods was going to run for a senate seat....

Oh piss off. Put that on a postcard if you like.

Busted. As you like to bleat,don't believe everything the press say.

Not busted at all, nor did I say anything about believing the press. The only bleating you hear is from sheep. You really should stop it.

Just not going to indulge a piss artist who throws snide remarks. Start a serious discussion, we can continue. Otherwise, please refer to the post I made above.

If you want a serious discussion try starting it by answering the question asked about when did Woods claim he was bigger than the game of golf....I await your reply.

I didn't say he said it. But he certainly behaved like it. As one would expect from a narcissist.

If you can't see that then perhaps you must be blinded by the same manlove that jammag appears to suffer from.

 

[Piece]

He wasn't dragged against his will to do all his branding. He had the portfolio of advertising, all for nice middle market and aspirational brands, he had his charity work (part of his tax strategy), his inner city work, his course sponsorship. He went to selected events in key overseas markets - Dubai, Asia, Oz. Long term plan was to beat Jack's total, retire from the game and run for a California Senate seat. All quite planned and cynical.

Nike stage managed most of this. You probably haven't seen the ad where old Dad gives him advice from beyond the grave. Pass the sick bag.

<face plant> Your argument thread was good until this random bit of fictional conspiracy tosh.

 

[golfcitydweller]

has his foundation actually produced any young coloured talented golfers ! none that i seen mentioned anyway ..

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Trying to drag this vaguely back on track and dissapte this falling out, Woods was arguably at his peak around 2000 so there has been 11 years for a new black star or more to have come out of the collegiate system. Whilst I take into account the socioeconomic point, if Woods was really that much of a catalyst and with all the junior programmes and acadamies that sprung up with the intention of giving under privileged kids a chance where is the next crop. Anyone with a talent for the game would have been snapped up and funded through the college system but still we don't have the next generation. Come to that where are the other golfers from the ethnicities either in the US or over here.

I understand that Woods single handedly made the Nike golf brand what it is now but they had the foresight and belief to pump huge investment into him. Granted too that he set the bar for fitness and athletiscsm which I acknoweldge in the piece and that he was the fulcrum for all the cash being pumped into the sport. His talent on the course isn't being questioned either although I do think personally he is finished as a major winner and unless he gets the swing sorted fast will continue to free fall down the rankings. That is a different argument. Where is the revolution and the next generation of black American (or part Asian, part Dutch or even part Irish as lot of Yanks clame to be including Obama)

 

[Dodger]

Interested to hear exactly when Woods said he was bigger than the game of golf??

Answers on a postcard to Ethan please because he is still looking for the answer to jammag's question.

Deflect deflect,and you say Woods was going to run for a senate seat....

Oh piss off. Put that on a postcard if you like.

Busted. As you like to bleat,don't believe everything the press say.

Not busted at all, nor did I say anything about believing the press. The only bleating you hear is from sheep. You really should stop it.

Just not going to indulge a piss artist who throws snide remarks. Start a serious discussion, we can continue. Otherwise, please refer to the post I made above.

If you want a serious discussion try starting it by answering the question asked about when did Woods claim he was bigger than the game of golf....I await your reply.

I didn't say he said it. But he certainly behaved like it. As one would expect from a narcissist.

If you can't see that then perhaps you must be blinded by the same manlove that jammag appears to suffer from.

Ah I get you now .....quote "Tiger thought he was bigger than the game".

You mean you thought that Tiger thought.

Whataboutery at it's very best.

 

[jammag]

I am hardly confessing a love for tiger woods, I was merely stating what he had done for golf and the wrong doings he has done is exactly the same as what some joe public people have done so why should he get worse treatment than others.

Now back to the original discussion point. I think Tiger revolutionised golf in a playing way, he made some shots possible that no one could see coming and now they have all gradually stepped up to his level that he set. Whether it be fitness aspect or just hitting the ball powerfully or even his putting.

People who disregard him are just judging him on what has happened out of golf mainly. If another player was to have his record then I feel they would become a legend in the game.

Now as someone else said about Seve being a legend and comparing him to Tiger. I feel both are legends in the own rights. Seve made the short game and made everyone look at how they could improve there game and have the innovation he had and play the game with a smile. Tiger on the other hand went down the play hard route and got his results that way and made players up there work rate.

There is no right or wrong answer in this everyone will have there own opinion and will not agree, people just need to learn to accept that and not just argue people down.

 

[golfcitydweller]

fellow golfers and forumers - this is what the forum`s all about - everyone has there opion -some will agree or disagree -i`ve read all the replies and well done to u all ,a crackin debate..