Winter League

[Bandido]

OK I won a best card in our winter league last week and received very little cash return considering the amount of entrants. Upon ringing and speaking to the secretary she advised me they take 20% for administration.

The administration is collecting the money and sheet from the men's locker room, looking for best score as only the winner gets the dosh and taking their cut.

I'd like opinions and thoughts on it.

 

[Bandido]

I've used the term league. No calculating of score and producing a league is involved only week to week best score. Sorry for any confusion!

 

[Region3]

Our comps all year round probably pay out less than they take in entry fees. I'm not sure where the extra goes, but to me it doesn't matter. Wherever it goes it's being ploughed back into the club in some way, and if the club and pro shop is healthy then we get to carry on using it and it's facilities/atmosphere etc.

It's nice to have a bit in the pro shop every now and then to buy a new shirt / balls / whatever, but we're playing for fun not to put food on our tables.

As long as it's not going into someone's pocket, I'm happy.

 

[papyt]

we have had this topic in the club house most of last year ( normally started by the local knob) if 200 play in the comp and pay £3 that is £600,we have first,second,third place prizes 1st=£32 2=£20 3=£8 that is £60 that leaves £540 going into the coffers of the club and i for one can see no problem with that it is good revenue every week,the biggest problem i have is we only get vouchers to spend in the pro shop and to be honest he is not the cheapest even though he is in the fore golf club,the person mentioned and his gang of not so merry men all in their 60's want more money to be paid out in comps and to be able to get cash but this is more of a feud with the pro than anything i think

 

[Phil2511]

Our Club retains approximately 1/3 of the competition money.

We pay £4 for each comp including winter league. £1 of this is for twos.
Last week i had 2nd place, there were 43 played so £172 in of which £129 was for place prizes and £43 for 2's in and the payouts where as follows
1st £30
2nd £25
3rd£20
4th£10

There were 2x twos which paid £14 each

During the qualifying season we have 2 sections of which there are 1st,2nd and if enough play 3rd for each section plus an overall winner and a best gross. Nobody can be the overall winner or have best gross prize and be the section winner. So basically there are at least 6 payouts and 8 if there are enough entries.

Until a month before the end of the qualifying season the overall winner could also win best gross, 3 times it happened, and the person received the 2 cash prizes, but on the 3rd occasion it was the competition convenor who won and a group of guys created an uproar so the council was then forced to change the payout method so that if a person won best gross and overall they only got paid out for 1 prize and the money was then split differently so that there was enough to either pay 3rd places in sections or the others received a higher amount.

So even in our club which pays out 2/3rds and pays as many places as is feasibly possible there are still criers and whiners. IMO if the overall best score also has the best gross why should they not get the double cash money. If its for a club trophy then they will obviously want to take that and get their name on something. But how could anyone claim a best gross prize when they did not have the best gross and vice versa, but still the same bad crowd created a hoohaa.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Our club takes a percentage of the entry fee for all events which goes towards the cost of trophies, honours board etc and then pays out for top 3 per division or first 4 if its an honours board event. Never heard of a club taking an admin charge

 

[Bandido]

All good points about it being retained in the club but is that not the reason of your subs? The trophies point is the obvious reply but its not the case here nor is it being retained in the club as the Professional is keeping the cut.

I'm just a little more questioning on things like this of where my money goes especially as I have less in my pocket these days, class me as the local knob if you like but thought it was a question worth asking. Funnily enough when the question was asked I was treated like an idiot, however as I saw and see no benefit to the club or the members other than one individual I think ths is wrong.

Wonder if the tax man knows :rofl:

 

[kev_off_the_tee]

As long as it's not going into someone's pocket, I'm happy.

here, here

 

[Phil2511]

I play at a pay and play course which has a club based there.

We pay £50 subs to the club each year of which £17.50 is GUI fees. Which i believe from talk is rising to £19.50 so with about 150 Adults thats a surplus of last year £5000 and then they retain 1/3 of competition entry fees.

The club then has to pay for an accountant, internet fees, stationary and ink for the printer etc, A new computer a few months ago as the old one was knackered.
Then as Homer says trophies, getting the display trophies engraved. And I have been told by a few guys that are members in other clubs that the keeper trophies we get at our place are much better and nicer than they have received at their clubs. On captains day the club invites all the other Captains from the district for lunch as they invite our Captain to their Captains days.

Then there are the team competitions, I think we participate in at least 8 of which the club must pay green fees for the practice rounds at the host club and usually Club Crested Jumpers with the team Name and year on them so that the club is well presented when out against the other clubs.

Plus then the Captain has his entertainment allowance for the year which is for the likes of when he is at the other Clubs in the area he will be expected to buy rounds of drinks etc plus at his own Captains day he will buy everyone a drink at the dinner and also at our Prize Night.

So that is just an idea of where some of the money goes to in our club.

 

[SGC001]

OK I won a best card in our winter league last week and received very little cash return considering the amount of entrants. Upon ringing and speaking to the secretary she advised me they take 20% for administration.

The administration is collecting the money and sheet from the men's locker room, looking for best score as only the winner gets the dosh and taking their cut.

I'd like opinions and thoughts on it.

A club's got to balance it's income with expenditure. It'll have income streams from members subs, green fees, bar takings, competition fees. It'll have expenditures on greenkeepers, maybe a retainer for the pro, bar staff, maybe some club officals like secretary and prizes. I'm sure I'll have missed a load.

If your club pays out all of it's comp fees on prizes, they'd have to get that money elsewhere maybe even from you in a subs increase; unless of course they can afford to pay it all out in which case they may choose to do so.

 

[Bandido]

A club's got to balance it's income with expenditure. It'll have income streams from members subs, green fees, bar takings, competition fees. It'll have expenditures on greenkeepers, maybe a retainer for the pro, bar staff, maybe some club officals like secretary and prizes. I'm sure I'll have missed a load.

If your club pays out all of it's comp fees on prizes, they'd have to get that money elsewhere maybe even from you in a subs increase; unless of course they can afford to pay it all out in which case they may choose to do so.

Absolutely but as it goes to one person I doubt it is reinvested. In the summer I haven't a grumble really, just this, I'll put a sheet out and take some money for it, I wonder how long the sheets are available for inspection (if at all) but that's a whole new topic