Why are Ping not in receivership?

[Smiffy]

The human body is addaptable to virtually everything

Ahhh, another "You Porn" regular.
Have you got your discount card yet?

 

[surefire]

To paraphrase the great curmudgeon, Mark James, psychology and self-belief are fine and well, but having a decent golf swing helps a lot too.

Of course.

Having a good mindset doesn't replace the need to have a good swing, but having a good swing and not being confident with it is just as bad.

 

[Toby_LeRhone]

To answer your question,the human body is addaptable to virtually everything

So, you think that you can handle a 55 inch driver eh? I'd like to see that.

The point is to understand the value of devices such as the fitting of clubs to minute detail. Whilst noone would deny the scientific evidence that suggests a performance gain that might come from, say, a club that has been fitted to match an individual's biomechanical specifications and idiosyncracies, there is a convincing arguement that variation in practise cancels out the effective realisation of benefits that are indicated in laboratory conditions.

What about the non-physical side of things?

If you 'know' or 'believe' a club is perfect for you, the extra confidence will make a huge difference, compared to the doubt you might otherwise experience.

An excellent observation that illustrates the whole issue.

The oldest marketing trick in the book is based on a self-perpetuating philosophy that connects purchase with belief; ie, people who spend their hard-earnt money on things perpetuate belief in those things; to do otherwise is to concede to at least an element of stupidity, a socially dangerous trait that is not often encountered.

 

[Ethan]

American Golf, on the other hand, would be pushing you to get the wallet out for that shiny set of Jack Nicklaus irons that they just happen to have in stock.

Ethan

This Demo day was run by American Golf in East Kilbride. I have nothing but praise for them, they have never tried to miss sell me anything and have always offered a discount to match or better online or local pro/range prices. Maybe they are different with other people who are not sure what they want or need, it is just not my experience.

Surely now a days if you are looking for clubs you would go for a fitting? And even AG have launch monitors, so you can see if the clubs they are trying to sell you are as good as the next set.

Shark

I would absolutely go for a fitting, but not to AG. I would go to one of the mnaufacturer's fitting set ups, if I knew what brand I wanted, or to a specialist fitter like Precision Golf.

Maybe a demo day by AG is less direct selling, but go into a store and I think the results will be different. I have seen a few people come out with totally inappropriate stuff and they could have been better fitted by Kwik Fit. Their launch monitors are also sometimes set up to "encourage" the buyer. I hit a few drives with 275-285 yards carry on one AG monitor. That was simply impossible with the swing speed. Perhaps the store was at altitude?

 

[bobmac]

Sorry Ethan, cant agree.
I accept you might get the odd shop that isn't brilliant but
I will always stick up for my local AG
It has at least 1 Qualified PGA pro working in there and he is excellent.
And as for the "doctoring" the settings on Trackman...Don't believe a word of it.

 

[Ethan]

Sorry Ethan, cant agree.
I accept you might get the odd shop that isn't brilliant but
I will always stick up for my local AG
It has at least 1 Qualified PGA pro working in there and he is excellent.
And as for the "doctoring" the settings on Trackman...Don't believe a word of it.

Bob

You are saying the odd AG shop might be dodgy, but you are basing that only on one odd shop - your local one. How do you know it is not the exception? I am recommending people visit PGA pros at local clubs instead - would you not agree?

I am sure you also know well that doctoring the system is both easy to do and commonly done. The guy in AG admitted as much when I suggested it after I gained 30 yards carry with no extra swing or ball speed.

I once played with a guy built like a rugby back whose swing was a thing of barely controlled violence, and he hit a 7 iron 170 yards. Not always straight.

AG "fitted" him for a hybrid and sold him an A flex Nicklaus one. I reckon he should have been in a heavy stiff or an X stiff shaft, and any idiot would have know the A was totally unsuitable. I have also seen the opposite, people with smooth slow swings sold heavy stiff shafted clubs they couldn't hit.

 

[bobmac]

Of course I would suggest going to a PGA Pro.
I was merely saying that not all AGs are bad, that's all

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Of course I would suggest going to a PGA Pro.
I was merely saying that not all AGs are bad, that's all

Personally I'd go with Bob and Ethan and either go to a PGA pro or ideally a specialist fitter. I have 3 AG's within 30 minutes drive and I would never under any circumstance go for a fitting at any of them. Having nearly joined the franchise two or three years ago I have a good idea just how "trained" some of these guys are and I can tell you it's not very and definitely not enough to give a full and proper fitting.

 

[SharkAttack]

Of course I would suggest going to a PGA Pro.
I was merely saying that not all AGs are bad, that's all

Having nearly joined the franchise two or three years ago I have a good idea just how "trained" some of these guys are and I can tell you it's not very and definitely not enough to give a full and proper fitting.

And how do you know how much training the PGA pro has had working the equipment he is using to give you a fitting? These guy's are using the results from the computer to give you advice and the advice they are giving you is what the computer says, so who is really giving that advice?

Now that nearly blew my brain trying to understand what I just wrote, but all I am really saying is the computer is giving the information and it is just the way each person interprets it. Anyone can buy the equipment it doesn't mean they know how to use it.

Shark