Why are people A-Holes when playing MATCHPLAY?

Yeah but when I am in a group and even if I dont know the people I want everyone to have a great round.
I want people to hole out from bunkers. Sink long putts. Get a hole in one.
I never wish someone to have a bad shot or be unlucky.

never look at someone thinking I'm going to smash this guy.

Its why maybe I struggled playing this format.

Will see how I go in the next round. Playing the guy that won last year. ha
I don't think I'm particularly competitive and the matches I enjoy the most are when both players are playing well, win or lose but that does not mean I am actively wanting my opponent to make his long putt or hole a bunker shot. If someone does pull off a great shot I'm happy for them but it makes me want to do even better and I'm not actively wanting that great shot.
 
I don't think I'm particularly competitive and the matches I enjoy the most are when both players are playing well, win or lose but that does not mean I am actively wanting my opponent to make his long putt or hole a bunker shot. If someone does pull off a great shot I'm happy for them but it makes me want to do even better and I'm not actively wanting that great shot.
I don't think I've won a singles match in my club yet, but I've only entered it twice - lost first round both times. I enter them just to meet and play with a few different people really and enjoy it - if I was to win a match that'd be a bonus!

I've entered two singles knockouts this year, plus one betterball and the mixed foursomes again.
 
I don't think I've won a singles match in my club yet, but I've only entered it twice - lost first round both times. I enter them just to meet and play with a few different people really and enjoy it - if I was to win a match that'd be a bonus!

I've entered two singles knockouts this year, plus one betterball and the mixed foursomes again.
If it gives you any hope/consolation I had never got past the first round and I entered every year and the first time I won a match I got to the final
 
Yeah but when I am in a group and even if I dont know the people I want everyone to have a great round.
I want people to hole out from bunkers. Sink long putts. Get a hole in one.
I never wish someone to have a bad shot or be unlucky.

never look at someone thinking I'm going to smash this guy.

Its why maybe I struggled playing this format.

Will see how I go in the next round. Playing the guy that won last year. ha

I don't think that should make you struggle.

In every competitive sport I've done, I always wanted my opponents to do well, I just wanted myself to do better. I think psychologically this makes sense too, you cannot control anyone other than yourself, so if you are relying on them to do bad you can't do anything about it, if you're relying on yourself to perform that's fully within your control.
 
It's against the rules to give advice to another player during a round. I believe he could have been disqualified for some of his comments.
Circling back to this comment.

So he was giving me advice on my putting grip and also not using a driver.

Which part of this rule would get him a DQ in Matchplay? I can only see how I would get a DQ from getting advice. Not him

Yes, it is generally against the rules of golf to give advice to another player during a round, including in match play, unless the advice is given by your caddie or a person authorized by the competition conditions. Specifically, Rule 10.2a states that a player must not give or seek advice from anyone other than their caddie or a person authorized by the competition conditions.

Elaboration:
  • Rule 10.2a:
    This rule outlines the restrictions on giving or receiving advice during a round of golf.

  • Exceptions:
    The only exceptions to this rule are for caddies and individuals authorized by the competition conditions.

  • Penalty:
    Giving or seeking advice in violation of Rule 10.2a can result in a general penalty, which is the loss of the hole in match play or a two-stroke penalty in stroke play.

  • What constitutes advice:
    Asking for or giving information about a specific club selection, the best way to play a hole, or how to handle a particular situation on the course are all examples of advice that are prohibited.

  • Team competitions:
    In team competitions, advice can be given or received between partners on the same side, but not between other team members.

  • Unsolicited advice:
    If a player receives unsolicited advice from someone who is not their caddie or authorized by the competition, they must attempt to stop the person from giving further advice, and there is no penalty for receiving it.
 
Circling back to this comment.

So he was giving me advice on my putting grip and also not using a driver.

Which part of this rule would get him a DQ in Matchplay? I can only see how I would get a DQ from getting advice. Not him

Yes, it is generally against the rules of golf to give advice to another player during a round, including in match play, unless the advice is given by your caddie or a person authorized by the competition conditions. Specifically, Rule 10.2a states that a player must not give or seek advice from anyone other than their caddie or a person authorized by the competition conditions.

Elaboration:
  • Rule 10.2a:
    This rule outlines the restrictions on giving or receiving advice during a round of golf.

  • Exceptions:
    The only exceptions to this rule are for caddies and individuals authorized by the competition conditions.

  • Penalty:
    Giving or seeking advice in violation of Rule 10.2a can result in a general penalty, which is the loss of the hole in match play or a two-stroke penalty in stroke play.

  • What constitutes advice:
    Asking for or giving information about a specific club selection, the best way to play a hole, or how to handle a particular situation on the course are all examples of advice that are prohibited.

  • Team competitions:
    In team competitions, advice can be given or received between partners on the same side, but not between other team members.

  • Unsolicited advice:
    If a player receives unsolicited advice from someone who is not their caddie or authorized by the competition, they must attempt to stop the person from giving further advice, and there is no penalty for receiving it.
I can't see any of the comments made that could be considered to be advice. He was an idiot, will always be and idiot and you would be best to just put it down to experience and hope you never get drawn to play him again.
 
Circling back to this comment.

So he was giving me advice on my putting grip and also not using a driver.

Which part of this rule would get him a DQ in Matchplay? I can only see how I would get a DQ from getting advice. Not him
If you did not ask for advice you cannot be penalised.

10.2a

Advice​

During a round, a player must not:
  • Give advice to anyone in the competition who is playing on the course,
  • Ask anyone for advice, other than the player’s caddie, or
  • Touch another player’s equipment to learn information that would be advice if given by or asked of the other player (such as touching the other player’s clubs or bag to see what club is being used).

The red highlighted bit is the part that gets him his penalty.
 
In 45 years of playing competitively I cannot recall any one I would call a bottom hole.
Maybees can't say the same about me

As a young assistant I used to play evening games [3d holes] against the local low handicap players.
One guy off 4 was desperate to beat me.
We never really played serious match play but all knew the score.
One night he put his second shot dead at the 18th
I was bunkered off the tee and 10 yards short with my 3rd shot
Walking up to the green he proudly said 'That's the first time I have beaten you'
Holed my putt for four and stood still.
He expected a gimme [we always used to give then from that near]
He did not even touch the hole with his birdie putt :D
 
I don't think that should make you struggle.

In every competitive sport I've done, I always wanted my opponents to do well, I just wanted myself to do better. I think psychologically this makes sense too, you cannot control anyone other than yourself, so if you are relying on them to do bad you can't do anything about it, if you're relying on yourself to perform that's fully within your control.
As above I never have a feeling of wishing to 'smash' an opponent - whether that might be for current or past misdemeanors...largely because anger is not a healthy emotion, indeed it is a destructive emotion, but also, and probably mainly, it's not up to me whether I smash an opponent or not. I can only be determined to do my very best and not be careless...what transpires from doing that is in the hands of the golfing gods.
 
So you’ve come down 5 shots that’s fantastic. Are you the one who uses Eureka swing with Steve Johnson?
Probably on here I'd guess although allegedly he has a pretty healthy worldwide following that are using it.

It works for me and more importantly it has done a lot to help my back as I was really struggling and had several bouts of sciatica which kept me out for months at a time
 
Have heard a few stories of bending the rules in foursomes matchplay, which is the format for the 2 senior leagues I play in.

Best story I have heard of is when the other team had a breaking putt from about 4 feet to win the hole late on in the match. His partner, who had taken 1 more shot already, was further away so was putting first. He deliberately aimed towards his partners marker rather than the hole and left himself with a very similar putt, albeit from a few feet further away.

However, instead of putting out to give his partner a read for the crucial putt, as he had intended to do with this unsporting behaviour, our quick thinking team member just went up and picked up his ball and said "you can have that" :LOL:
 
Have heard a few stories of bending the rules in foursomes matchplay, which is the format for the 2 senior leagues I play in.

Best story I have heard of is when the other team had a breaking putt from about 4 feet to win the hole late on in the match. His partner, who had taken 1 more shot already, was further away so was putting first. He deliberately aimed towards his partners marker rather than the hole and left himself with a very similar putt, albeit from a few feet further away.

However, instead of putting out to give his partner a read for the crucial putt, as he had intended to do with this unsporting behaviour, our quick thinking team member just went up and picked up his ball and said "you can have that" :LOL:
Pretty sure he was breaking rather than bending the rules anyway - can't be bothered to find the ruling though at this time of the night though! :D
 
Pretty sure he was breaking rather than bending the rules anyway - can't be bothered to find the ruling though at this time of the night though! :D
Rule 1.2a, Conduct Expected of All Players, and Clarification 1.2a/1, says that such action is a serious breach of conduct and the player is disqualified. Rule 23.9, Four Ball, and specifically Rule 23.9b says that a breach of Rule 1.2 by one partner means the side is disqualified.
(it's not night here!)
 
Rule 1.2a, Conduct Expected of All Players, and Clarification 1.2a/1, says that such action is a serious breach of conduct and the player is disqualified. Rule 23.9, Four Ball, and specifically Rule 23.9b says that a breach of Rule 1.2 by one partner means the side is disqualified.
(it's not night here!)
Out of interest I looked up clarification 1.2a/1 and was somewhat surprised by "Repeatedly using vulgar or offensive language" as an example. Why isn't half the field in pretty much every club comp being DQ'd? 😅
 
Out of interest I looked up clarification 1.2a/1 and was somewhat surprised by "Repeatedly using vulgar or offensive language" as an example. Why isn't half the field in pretty much every club comp being DQ'd? 😅
Youd have to actually call it on someone I guess and most people just laugh at someone swearing after a bad shot and walk off.

But could be useful in matchplay
 
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