Parmo
Tour Winner
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DCB
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Hey Parmo, You advertising ?
Parmo
Tour Winner
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gawdssake man don't mention that word on here, I will be lynched before I fin....Macster
Journeyman Pro
I'm fairly 'new' to this forum, and have to say that I dont understand the depth of hatred that is shown to posts of this type, what is it with you all ?
A lot of members on here seem to treat this forum as if it was some kind of 'personal club' and the hatred and quite vile comments shown to anyone trying to promote something, is a little pathetic isnt it ?
So what if he is promoting something, if you dont want to look, dont. Simple as that.
It's surely up to the site administrators to decide who's posts are quite clearly commercial, and whether they are allowed or not is up to them ? They have the power to delete if they want to.
Certain members seem to be more objectionable than most, who obviously seem to treat the place like a 'private members club' that tolerates new comers and roasts anyone 'promoting' anything.
Sure, it may be crap, so dont click on it. Its your choice.
But, something may come along that everyone does like, who knows.
I just find the way posters like this are told to 'F*** Off' a little pathetic and childish, its surely not neccessary fellas ?
It leaves me unsure I want to be part of it.....
A lot of members on here seem to treat this forum as if it was some kind of 'personal club' and the hatred and quite vile comments shown to anyone trying to promote something, is a little pathetic isnt it ?
So what if he is promoting something, if you dont want to look, dont. Simple as that.
It's surely up to the site administrators to decide who's posts are quite clearly commercial, and whether they are allowed or not is up to them ? They have the power to delete if they want to.
Certain members seem to be more objectionable than most, who obviously seem to treat the place like a 'private members club' that tolerates new comers and roasts anyone 'promoting' anything.
Sure, it may be crap, so dont click on it. Its your choice.
But, something may come along that everyone does like, who knows.
I just find the way posters like this are told to 'F*** Off' a little pathetic and childish, its surely not neccessary fellas ?
It leaves me unsure I want to be part of it.....
Parmo
Tour Winner
Chris I understand where you are coming from, but we have a sale section for members to sale & buy gear, people can rent out their holiday homes which is fine, but free cheap advertising like this is Spam and Spam is not tolerated here by either the members or admins.
No forum anywhere allows Spamming on their site, most of the time the posters don't contribute to the forum, they post their crap and try and defend it by saying "I am going to contribute once I..." it also creates clutter on the forum and if we allow one they all want a free piece of advertising on said forum and the forum like many before die a death not to mention other golf forums of mags.
Just one thing, members of this site do not act or treat this as a private club, they treat each other and the site as they would in the club house or on the course for that matter and that is with respect. This forum is one of the best if not the best golf forum in the UK, we offer advice to anyone and discuss issues that affect us as golfers, if we want to have a off golf debate we have a general forum for that as well, but at the end of the day, Spam is Spam and not wanted on this forum.
No forum anywhere allows Spamming on their site, most of the time the posters don't contribute to the forum, they post their crap and try and defend it by saying "I am going to contribute once I..." it also creates clutter on the forum and if we allow one they all want a free piece of advertising on said forum and the forum like many before die a death not to mention other golf forums of mags.
Just one thing, members of this site do not act or treat this as a private club, they treat each other and the site as they would in the club house or on the course for that matter and that is with respect. This forum is one of the best if not the best golf forum in the UK, we offer advice to anyone and discuss issues that affect us as golfers, if we want to have a off golf debate we have a general forum for that as well, but at the end of the day, Spam is Spam and not wanted on this forum.
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Bottom line is: Don't open/reply to what could well be a dodgy post - it's ultimately attention which the post is out to foster. The more you do the more spam you will receive.
John_Findlay
Tour Winner
Well said, Parmo.
Chris, we're not trying to be rude to newbies with an agenda as a general rule (well..some are) It's just that we take umbrage at salesmen nonchalantly walking into our online clubhouse and hawking their wares out of their suitcase when they can happily pay GM some advertising revenue to do so.
If they see us as an easy target then I'm afraid they should be prepared to be greeted with a retaliatory salvo across the bows.
Granted, if some of the language gets a bit colourful towards these guys then we should be careful not to overstep the mark. Manners cost nothing.
I used to just politely ignore them..... but I have to say I have rather enjoyed some of the spam-baiting offered by fellow forumers. It's a fine art for some.
Chris, we're not trying to be rude to newbies with an agenda as a general rule (well..some are) It's just that we take umbrage at salesmen nonchalantly walking into our online clubhouse and hawking their wares out of their suitcase when they can happily pay GM some advertising revenue to do so.
If they see us as an easy target then I'm afraid they should be prepared to be greeted with a retaliatory salvo across the bows.
Granted, if some of the language gets a bit colourful towards these guys then we should be careful not to overstep the mark. Manners cost nothing.
I used to just politely ignore them..... but I have to say I have rather enjoyed some of the spam-baiting offered by fellow forumers. It's a fine art for some.
ClubAlert
Newbie
Thanks for the Support Chris, and to just put a couple of points to the forum before closing the matter;
This was not Spam, and not an advert to buy anything - becauise the product doesn't yet exist.
I selected a small number of what I thought were responsible golf forums and groups, hoping that they would be used by mature people, in order to get objective views on a potential new product.
The immediate responses told me that I was wrong in thinking that this was such a forum. Others have provided very valuable feedback, both poitive and negative, (which is also good), but in a mature way.
As Chris says - if you aren't able to provide objective mature comment - why bother replying at all.
And as for treating others with respect and as you would in a clubhouse - you certainly wouldn't last long in my club!
This was not Spam, and not an advert to buy anything - becauise the product doesn't yet exist.
I selected a small number of what I thought were responsible golf forums and groups, hoping that they would be used by mature people, in order to get objective views on a potential new product.
The immediate responses told me that I was wrong in thinking that this was such a forum. Others have provided very valuable feedback, both poitive and negative, (which is also good), but in a mature way.
As Chris says - if you aren't able to provide objective mature comment - why bother replying at all.
And as for treating others with respect and as you would in a clubhouse - you certainly wouldn't last long in my club!
ColinR
Head Pro
Chris Mc
I agree with you. I've been on this forum for probably nearly a year. I guess about one of these posts come along every 2-3 weeks, so it is hardly a plague. Some people think they need to be macho and show how rude they can be. I think the responses they get are more sickening and childish than the original posts and like you has made me question whether or not I want to be associated with this type of communication.
I do not understand why people don't just ignore them.
I agree with you. I've been on this forum for probably nearly a year. I guess about one of these posts come along every 2-3 weeks, so it is hardly a plague. Some people think they need to be macho and show how rude they can be. I think the responses they get are more sickening and childish than the original posts and like you has made me question whether or not I want to be associated with this type of communication.
I do not understand why people don't just ignore them.
ColinR
Head Pro
Parmo
Tour Winner
I agree with harsh comments following Spam threads are not what is needed and ignoring said posts the best answer.
Sorry but I fail to see where I offended you and made negative comments regarding you on this subject, and why wouldnt I last long in "your" clubhouse?
Sorry but I fail to see where I offended you and made negative comments regarding you on this subject, and why wouldnt I last long in "your" clubhouse?
John_Findlay
Tour Winner
ClubAlert,
No offence, but I think you've simply approached this the wrong way...and you're continuing to demonstrate a certain ineptitude for people skills by your replies.
Would you consider it polite to approach a bunch of strangers in a clubhouse with the opening gambit you made? Where was the smalltalk, the introduction? Rather than a bit of foreplay you rushed in with a poorly disguised sales pitch. Having misjudged your target audience you then throw your dummy out of the pram and claim the moral high ground for your own misdemeanors.
What was wrong with "Can you help, guys? I'd really appreciate a bit of feedback." ? Having been told we're not interested you then offer no apologies for bothering us, simply a sleight on the quality of our membership and a dig at our maturity.
I'm sure you'll go far...but maybe not in sales. Ever thought of going into politics? They don't have a clue about the real world either.
No offence, but I think you've simply approached this the wrong way...and you're continuing to demonstrate a certain ineptitude for people skills by your replies.
Would you consider it polite to approach a bunch of strangers in a clubhouse with the opening gambit you made? Where was the smalltalk, the introduction? Rather than a bit of foreplay you rushed in with a poorly disguised sales pitch. Having misjudged your target audience you then throw your dummy out of the pram and claim the moral high ground for your own misdemeanors.
What was wrong with "Can you help, guys? I'd really appreciate a bit of feedback." ? Having been told we're not interested you then offer no apologies for bothering us, simply a sleight on the quality of our membership and a dig at our maturity.
I'm sure you'll go far...but maybe not in sales. Ever thought of going into politics? They don't have a clue about the real world either.
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
I think the key to all this is in the opening post. A bit about yourself, what you are trying to achieve, what the product is and how you are expecting us to help / contribute would go along way. I know it is fairly easy to post a link to another site, with all your info on it, but this isn't the right way to go about it.
Back to the club house scenario, you wouldn't walk into your club house and do a power point presentation on saturday lunch time, without canvassing opinion first, and getting permission from the manager.
Back to the club house scenario, you wouldn't walk into your club house and do a power point presentation on saturday lunch time, without canvassing opinion first, and getting permission from the manager.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Ok, lets analyse this shall we?
1. No introduction, no hello just straight in.
2.New product about to be launched - this implies that it must exist - otherwise define how long "about" is.
3.Help with finalising the packaging? See above.
4.A bribe at the end to try to convince.
5. Just a thanks at the end. No info about you or your golf or your clubs, if you are a member anywhere, just Thanks.
Added up this can only be a sales pitch, trying to flog something on the cheap. We were not born yesterday you know. This is an online clubhouse not a market square. There is as much ettiquette involved here as on a golf course. There are places for selling things and places for chatting.
If you want to get involved with the forum, making contributions and joining the fun then welcome to the club. If you want to sell something go through the proper channels and leave us alone.
haplesshacker
Money List Winner
ClubAlert.
I think that all of this just proves my earlier point. The way in which you introduced your product is where you fell down. Be big enough to admit that you made a mistake, and maybe you might just get somewhere. However, I suspect that it is too late for that as you seem to of dug yourself into one big hole and pulled the earth back onto yourself.
Listen to the advice that some have given you on here, learn some basic sales manners, and you might be able to sell something one day.
I think that all of this just proves my earlier point. The way in which you introduced your product is where you fell down. Be big enough to admit that you made a mistake, and maybe you might just get somewhere. However, I suspect that it is too late for that as you seem to of dug yourself into one big hole and pulled the earth back onto yourself.
Listen to the advice that some have given you on here, learn some basic sales manners, and you might be able to sell something one day.
Macster
Journeyman Pro
I rest my case.
Guys, its an internet forum for christ sake ! It is somewhere where we can post freely and dont have to adhere to the normal etiquette of face to face meets, in a way.
The original post wasnt in any way offensive, rude, impolite ar anything.
Maybe its commercial, maybe its not, i havent even looked to be honest. But the way everyone has jumped down his throat is quite honestly pathetic and childish, and the suggestion that he should have 'integrated' into this community first is ridiculous.
I fail to see what the problem is still, and am getting the impression that a lot of you are stuck in the dark ages completely.
I'm going to leave your little club/community/whatever to you all, I'm all for fun & banter and even sarcasm, but this all seems a bit 'clique-ish' to me.
Guys, its an internet forum for christ sake ! It is somewhere where we can post freely and dont have to adhere to the normal etiquette of face to face meets, in a way.
The original post wasnt in any way offensive, rude, impolite ar anything.
Maybe its commercial, maybe its not, i havent even looked to be honest. But the way everyone has jumped down his throat is quite honestly pathetic and childish, and the suggestion that he should have 'integrated' into this community first is ridiculous.
I fail to see what the problem is still, and am getting the impression that a lot of you are stuck in the dark ages completely.
I'm going to leave your little club/community/whatever to you all, I'm all for fun & banter and even sarcasm, but this all seems a bit 'clique-ish' to me.
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
I don't think my comments were full of hatred or vile comments. I merely used the power of the English language to point out that the pretext used to post the spam was at best misguided and and worst a blatant attempt at free advertising.
I can think of maybe 5 individuals at most on here in my lengthy stay that have posted comments on here that are genuinly over the top and crossed the line. With these the forum members have rightly publicy castigated them but have also explained why these comments are unacceptable. That to me corresponds exactly with the behaviour I would expect at any clubhouse I visited. If someone in yoru bar was being loud and boorish someone from the staff or committee would point out there behaviour was unacceptable. We did the same.
I'm sorry ChrisMC didn't see this. It is a regular problem on here and at present as the board is monitored by GM (to my best understanding) there are sometimes more concerned about their bread and butter and getting a magazine out on time. We do not want the forum cluttered up with ads for various products or services which may be high quality or not. If you must advertise put it in the for sale section where people can make a choice to visit.
The language and directness of the approach was totally wrong and would have won no friends even if the content had not been spam. The reticence to accept the critiscism, especially for advertising something that doesn't even exist, shows a rather insular existence that may not be best suited to the fierce and competitive world of business
I can think of maybe 5 individuals at most on here in my lengthy stay that have posted comments on here that are genuinly over the top and crossed the line. With these the forum members have rightly publicy castigated them but have also explained why these comments are unacceptable. That to me corresponds exactly with the behaviour I would expect at any clubhouse I visited. If someone in yoru bar was being loud and boorish someone from the staff or committee would point out there behaviour was unacceptable. We did the same.
I'm sorry ChrisMC didn't see this. It is a regular problem on here and at present as the board is monitored by GM (to my best understanding) there are sometimes more concerned about their bread and butter and getting a magazine out on time. We do not want the forum cluttered up with ads for various products or services which may be high quality or not. If you must advertise put it in the for sale section where people can make a choice to visit.
The language and directness of the approach was totally wrong and would have won no friends even if the content had not been spam. The reticence to accept the critiscism, especially for advertising something that doesn't even exist, shows a rather insular existence that may not be best suited to the fierce and competitive world of business
Macster
Journeyman Pro
lol Homer - its an internet forum !!!!
This isnt your lahdy dah Clubhouse or the like, & we can say/do things a bit differently on here.
Whether a 'commercial' topic is posted in this section, or the 'For Sale' section, is entirely up to GM, and they are the ones that can decide if its acceptable or not surely ?
What I dont understand is why you and certain other members think you are the ones charged with the authority to castigate the posters ?
Seems bizarre to me. Read the posts you want and leave the ones you dont ?
I'm guessing the members involved are in the Senior years ? Might explain it.
This isnt your lahdy dah Clubhouse or the like, & we can say/do things a bit differently on here.
Whether a 'commercial' topic is posted in this section, or the 'For Sale' section, is entirely up to GM, and they are the ones that can decide if its acceptable or not surely ?
What I dont understand is why you and certain other members think you are the ones charged with the authority to castigate the posters ?
Seems bizarre to me. Read the posts you want and leave the ones you dont ?
I'm guessing the members involved are in the Senior years ? Might explain it.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
I think we need to give up on this one Guys - we're just not getting through.
ChrisMc - please define Senior.
ChrisMc - please define Senior.
SammmeBee
Journeyman Pro
Is Peter Senior a forummer then?
