Who do you consider to be the most influential golf coach???

[percy_layer]

Not one person prior to the stack and tilt guys EVER said you need an open clubface to hit a draw.

John Jacobs many years ago............


Good video, Brian Manzella is one of the most influential coaches and has been for a good few years. I suspect that not many people have heard of him, but his ideas are worth listening to.

 

[JustOne]

You only need to watch the first 4 seconds of this video to see why John Jacobs swing wasn't widely accepted...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED0vmzi84RA

Anyone swinging like that would have been told they were reverse pivoting

He then goes on to talk about the importance of the clubface being square at impact, which (in my opinion) is another error, as the previous video on D-plane explains.

In my opinion the S&T guys are the only ones to get all the elements in place and explain them properly. As I've said previously, reading the S&T book is worthwhile even if you don't bother with the swing itself.

On the S&T DVD there's a part where Andy turns to Mike and says..

"How many pro golfers hit the ball with the clubface square at impact?"

To which Mike replies..

"None."

 

[Swinger]

On the S&T DVD there's a part where Andy turns to Mike and says..

"How many pro golfers hit the ball with the clubface square at impact?"

To which Mike replies..

"None."

What a pair of cards they sound like! I mean they definatly haven't seen my local pro, he is square as you can can get.

 

[percy_layer]

He then goes on to talk about the importance of the clubface being square at impact, which (in my opinion) is another error, as the previous video on D-plane explains.

How do the S&T guys explain a straight shot, one that starts straight and doesn't change direction?

Do they assume that it is only the bottom of the swing arc that is in line with the target??? and not the point of impact with the bottom of the swing arc moving to the left of the target line and the swing path looking to be slightly out to in from a 'down the line' angle???


Don't forget that it was people such as John Jacobs that lead the way in developing theories on how the golf club affects the golf ball.

There is currently a lot of research going on about how quality of strike and types of grass affect the golf ball. eg. one dimple width from a centre strike is equivalent to the clubface being 1 degree offline. Most of which is not relevant to the average player as it's too indepth but is useful for the coach to know. Thus explaining how a swing path in to out with a clubface open to swingpath can create a draw flight because the strike was towards the toe of the club......................

 

[Society_Fan]

Leslie King - He was behind leadbetter before he became famous with Faldo

 

[JustOne]

Don't forget that it was people such as John Jacobs that lead the way in developing theories on how the golf club affects the golf ball.

To clarify, I'm not knocking him one iota, his swing looks fine to ME but others (instructors over the past 40yrs) would say that he's borderline reverse pivoting and would try to 'fix' that. So you can see why what he said wasn't taken with much weight. He could be 100% right and no-one would listen.

That said, I think his explanation of the square clubface was wrong (although the vid gets cut short to go into any details such as direction of swing plane/path).

How do the S&T guys explain a straight shot, one that starts straight and doesn't change direction?

Do they assume that it is only the bottom of the swing arc that is in line with the target??? and not the point of impact with the bottom of the swing arc moving to the left of the target line and the swing path looking to be slightly out to in from a 'down the line' angle???

They would describe it the same way you would (hopefully), it's a straight push to the right, sometimes referred to as a blocked shot.

Line up 5° left and block the ball 5° right = a straight ball as you describe above where the arc is moving to the left of the target line.

Aren't you an instructor (qualified pro) or something like that?

 

[Hendy]

John Jacobs..

Butch Harmon, who stated, "John Jacobs wrote the book on coaching. There is not a teacher out here who does not owe him something."

My course pro now 74 years young raves about how good a coach john jacobs was. And after getting my hands on some old vhs's and the golf doctor book i have to agree with him..

I have seen leadbetter dvds and no question he knows what he is chatting about aswell but for the normal weekend golfer you cant over look john jacobs. Best advise i have ever heard and took 6 shots off my HC this year...

He breaks the game down easly so everyone at any level can understand his message he makes it so much easier than any other teacher of the game i have seen or heard..

I am 110% sure Jacobs himself states in one of VHS's that he himself does not have the perfect swing.. He coachs much better than he plays.. I remember reading somewhere...

Look past the dated footage and listen to the message and put it into practice I am sure no matter what HC you are you will learn something new.. And i bet once you hear/see it you think to dam that makes sense and was alot easier than i was thinking it would be..

I am sure next season i will get down to single figures.. And i will owing 60% of it to John Jacobs and his teaching on these VHS's and book. Its my secret weapon over the mates ..

 

[percy_layer]

To clarify, I'm not knocking him one iota, his swing looks fine to ME but others (instructors over the past 40yrs) would say that he's borderline reverse pivoting and would try to 'fix' that. So you can see why what he said wasn't taken with much weight. He could be 100% right and no-one would listen.

Are you kidding?????

 

[Snelly]

Sam Snead.

Pete Cowan

 

[Marko77]

Butch Harmon has been very influential in the careers of many of the current top USPGA players.

Bob Torrance on the European Tour.

Youtube for my game

 

[JustOne]

Are you kidding?????

About what?