When does a great handicap excuse badmanners?

Rob McBride

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Last week in a club match, we were playing away and stood on the 6th tee, which shared the same elongated tee box as the 12th.

On the 12th were some club members who were all + handicappers. The members we were with had a conversation with them and we decided to take alternate tee shots to avoid slow play on both holes. We were a B Team side (so 9 - 15 handicappers), the + handicappers teed first and then we alternated, having lost the last hole it was the home team first, followed by us, I went last.

The first three + lads all hit smashing drives, all with a touch of draw as the hole demanded, a real pleasure to watch, and we all observed silence (including Mr Loud until his tee shot). as each group teed off. That was until the last of the + handicap lads teed up and hit a drive slightly right and into the semi, who then proceeded to remonstrate with himself loudly, whilst I set up and teed off to his protestation of lack of draw and his driver slamming into the bag, then storming off of the tee box leaving his 3 mates behind.

The 2 members in our match apologised profusely as we walked up the 6th, and said that 'he is always like that' and gave recent medal examples of his explosive nature. I asked if anyone had spoken to him, which received the reply that 'you cant as he is the best handicapper in the club' and cant be upset as his father is also............. enough said.

I found this really disappointing, and beyond understanding. I realise that great players (in any sport) generally have some ' perfection issues', but I also watched Jim Furyk arrive at the olympic club tonight and sign a young boys cap, place it on the young lads head with a pat, as he walked up to the practice ground.

If golf has an ugly side then I think that it is people like this noisy individual and clubs that condone it. Very sad and just poor sportsmanship.
 
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It doesn't and the secretary should be having a word. Mind you if the other members have accepted it then noone is going to complain making it harder for the secretary to do anything about it.
 
Always some **** too good to ever make a mistake! I persoanlly wouldn't play with him if he was like that
 
Sounds like a grade A stuck up idiot. I wouldnt care who he was, I would of had a word with him about why he thought he had a right to do what he did(I am a bit argumentative btw)
 
I'd have said something and wouldn't give a damn who his dad was. Totally unnecessary and if everyone turns a blind eye then he'll carry on thinking he's a cut above. So what if he is a + handicapper and the "best" player. Doesn't excuse arrogance and poor etiquette
 
in answere to the question in the title.

NEVER

glad we cleared that up.

Anyway who is his dad that makes him so special? Probably some kind of stuck up pompus knob who also thinks the world owes him a living if these are the values he has installed in his son he no doubt goes by the same
 
Has everybody that has commented on this ALWAYS been the perfect example of etiquette? I know I can't say that I have NEVER done anything that might upset someone on a course....
 
I dont think thats the point Chris. This guy apparently is known for behaving like this often. This isnt a rare indiscretion, it's commonplace. That is unacceptable.
 
Answer to your question .. Never ..

Cant understand how people equate bad manners , slow play & general bad play to groups tho , ie ages , handicaps , sex, arent we all knocking around this planet long enough to know its the individual thats at fault, not the age , sex or handicap ..?
just wondering, as it seems three of the + handicap players were sound & nice lads why you would think the handicap was related to the bad manners ?
Also if he was throwing a strop & slamming clubs etc , he was last to play , just wait a min , he will be gone & you will have a peacefull tee off ..
 
I dont think thats the point Chris. This guy apparently is known for behaving like this often. This isnt a rare indiscretion, it's commonplace. That is unacceptable.

Fair do's, but "best" handicap or not tell him is acting like a tool then or don't complain about it.
 
If it was putting me off playing then yes I would.
+1 here . as this was probably a 1 off i might let it slide but if they were interfering with my game id have a word , why wouldnt i ? why.. wouldnt you ? people like these got to this point because noboby pulled them up on it..

Had to have a word with a club thrower one day , didnt say anything the 1st time , made it clear it wasnt on after the second tantrum
 
At my home course we have a large group of college academy players - must be + handicaps, the way they strike the ball is fascinating to watch, especially when they tee off with irons when I use a driver and they still hit it further!!

Anyway, I have in 5 years at this club never seen such behaviour from any of these very talented players. They are quiet, considerate and well mannered.

So, high handicap is no excuse at all for this sort of behaviour.

All credit to those of you who would challenge it too, I think I'd let it go while having a not so quiet laugh to myself. Only if he went ballistic at my laughing would I point out that his behaviour was very off-putting to others and my way of dealing with that is to laugh at his childishness!
 
Up until recently our best player at our club was +1, and had come up thru the junior section.

He was frequently rude and ungracious , and when he won the club championship he wittered on about his golf scholarship to the US and didn't thank his playing partners or mention how well the course had been presented.
In fact he spoke about nothing apart himself.
A few months later he was given a 3 comp ban for repeatedly no-showing for prime saturday morning comp slots.

He threw his toys out of his pram and stormed off to join a neighbouring club.

Not missed at all.

His successor as lowest hcp player is a lovely chap who is liked by everyone and is a great example to our juniors.
 
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