What a shop.......

[nemicu]

why can't someone be fitted that quickly then? You said it is your opinion so would you like to expand on it. Because someone who walks round with a name badge on that says Taylormade master club fitter and use to work on the tour truck says you can do it Then I am going to believe him over you. The fact that he did more or less do it, just proved his claim.

When getting fitted I think there are 3 key factors to getting a fast effective fitting: a customer that has a reasonably repetitive swing, a good range of kit for you to try and someone who can interpret flightscope data correctly. If you have those 3 things then the fitting process will be quick.

So at what point during the fitting did you select the correct weight and length of shaft and matched it to your preferred swing weight? Look at your smash factor and the rest of your stats - you are nowhere close to being "fitted" - does any of the data look close to being consistent?. Anyone who tells you they can fit you in 10 swings is either a fool or a liar - or they are basically selling you a product from their own range that they have in stock.
You were not fitted - you were sold a stock club with a load of pizzazz and smoke and mirrors. The price you paid only serves to prove this point. It's like saying you got a pair of hand made shoes because you tried on 10 different pairs.
It's great that you went to Vegas and visited a good shop full of goodies, but to describe your experience as a high end proper fitting is an insult to anyone who eeks out a business without the backing of a product giant to swallow the losses.
I think it's fair to say you don't have a clue what you're talking about - and neither does your alleged "fitter" in the playboy capital of the world.

 

[MadAdey]

So at what point during the fitting did you select the correct weight and length of shaft and matched it to your preferred swing weight? Look at your smash factor and the rest of your stats - you are nowhere close to being "fitted" - does any of the data look close to being consistent?. Anyone who tells you they can fit you in 10 swings is either a fool or a liar - or they are basically selling you a product from their own range that they have in stock.
You were not fitted - you were sold a stock club with a load of pizzazz and smoke and mirrors. The price you paid only serves to prove this point. It's like saying you got a pair of hand made shoes because you tried on 10 different pairs.
It's great that you went to Vegas and visited a good shop full of goodies, but to describe your experience as a high end proper fitting is an insult to anyone who eeks out a business without the backing of a product giant to swallow the losses.
I think it's fair to say you don't have a clue what you're talking about - and neither does your alleged "fitter" in the playboy capital of the world.

Wow, what a prick..........

I forgot take another picture of the results after the fitting. Maybe then you might eat humble pie when you saw the 302 average, smash factor of 147 and the 15 yard dispersal, so would you say that I could have got even better results than that.

Smash factor is a figure to show how effective your swing is. Tell me one tour pro that has the magical 150 smash factor, Bubba is 152 and Tiger 148 from what I just read. So maybe it is you who does not know about custom fitting and let's the fitter take you for a ride by getting you to try stupidly expensive exotic shafts and giving you jacked up results by tampering with the flightscope settings, so you end up with a club that is costing you more than it should.

Anyway my results from the fitting bay got backed up on the range with the distances I was hitting and I did compare it to my Mini Driver and that was going the distances I would expect, so it is not like the range distances whereinaccurate to make me believe I am hitting it further than I was.

I believe we do have people on here who fit golfers for clubs, so it would be interesting to hear their point of view, rather than the one from an ill educated know it all golfer......

 

[nemicu]

Yawn.
I've just been reading up on reviews for the TM golf experience in Las Vegas. Apparently, the sales staff (that's all they are - sales staff) aren't very good and none of the "pro" staff are in the top 100 certified fitters in the US -- no surprises there then.
Next time someone offers you their "professional" services for free, don't expect it to be on a level of a real professional who may actually charge according to their time and experience.
Maybe if you wrap a bit of humble pie around your ball and lob it your 302 yard average, I might just be able to catch it in my mouth if I can stop laughing long enough.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Yawn.
I've just been reading up on reviews for the TM golf experience in Las Vegas. Apparently, the sales staff (that's all they are - sales staff) aren't very good and none of the "pro" staff are in the top 100 certified fitters in the US -- no surprises there then.
Next time someone offers you their "professional" services for free, don't expect it to be on a level of a real professional who may actually charge according to their time and experience.
Maybe if you wrap a bit of humble pie around your ball and lob it your 302 yard average, I might just be able to catch it in my mouth if I can stop laughing long enough.

Interesting you use the word "apparently" so you've not had that verified. Unless you were there you've know idea what actually happened and as long as the OP is happy with the fit he got, the price he paid and the results he's getting does it really matter how the results were arrived at?

 

[MadAdey]

Yawn.
I've just been reading up on reviews for the TM golf experience in Las Vegas. Apparently, the sales staff (that's all they are - sales staff) aren't very good and none of the "pro" staff are in the top 100 certified fitters in the US -- no surprises there then.
Next time someone offers you their "professional" services for free, don't expect it to be on a level of a real professional who may actually charge according to their time and experience.
Maybe if you wrap a bit of humble pie around your ball and lob it your 302 yard average, I might just be able to catch it in my mouth if I can stop laughing long enough.

I would love to see those reviews. The manager and his assistant both had name tags on saying certified PGA professional and the fitter had one saying Taylormade master club fitter, so looks like your info is BS, as they are more than just sales assistants. Taylormade would hardly take a flagship store and fill it fill it full of people that did not know what they where talking about, would they.

 

[nemicu]

Please - if you want to check for yourself, you will see there are no association of certified club fitting professionals in the whole of Nevada - it being a bit of a desert might have something to do with it. I'm sure the OP is more than satisfied with their purchase, but in response to all that bemoan the lack of similar facilities in the UK - all I can say is all that glitters ain't gold. If on the other hand you were to try out the TM facility at Wentworth (a bit closer than Vegas), you will find certified pros on hand who will be more than happy to help you find the correct fitting club. Sessions start from £100 - and no, you don't get that money back with a purchase of any club.
Different pond, different frogs. The difference in the final product is worlds apart.

 

[Foxholer]

Nemicu. I used to respect much of what you posted, but recent ones have been peculiar to weird! Is it just an anti-TM bias or is there another agenda (I'm somewhat anti-TM btw, but marketing as opposed to products!).

Are you actually a fitter yourself?

MA went to a TM store to get/and got fitted for a Driver he now has great confidence in! It wasn't an independent fitting - as I suspect you would propose/do - but it was never meant to be!

Given the population of US, it's no surprise that the 'Pro' guys don't register in the top 100 fitters. I doubt the TM guys at Wentworth (or other TM Centre of Excellence sites) are in the top 100 fitters in UK either, but they seem to do a pretty good job - as do the Callaway, Ping etc equivalents!

Could you have got MA a better fit? And how much for? Little change out of $800? $550 seems a 'bargain' to me - with highly respectable numbers!

 

[nemicu]

Could we get him a better fit? Sure, why not?
If he's able to give us the other Trackman stats of his final build and a video of his swing, we may have room for some improvement.
Yes, I've been fitting for a number of years and if there's one thing that's almost certain, you will not get a 7.7 handicap fitted in 10 swings with a standard length shaft - period. There is nothing wrong with TM products or the custom capabilities they provide, but essentially it's important to know the difference between a fitting "experience" (as per the Vegas shop) and the actual performance labs fitting (as per TM's internal fitting structure).
I have no doubt that the OP is pleased with his purchase, but to call it a personal fitting based on what is (or isn't) an optimal match for their swing based on the evidence given and my experience of TM's fitting criteria - is not helping anybody (except TM perhaps).
We could go down the road of specifics, but since the OP (perhaps somewhat justifiably) has chosen to use abusive remarks, rather than reason - I have no further input to give.
Apologies to old mate Doc Griffin who actually WILL be in Nevada next month (only visiting for 3 days though) and charges around $250 for a full custom session and build to spec (cost of driver and shaft extra).

 

[Foxholer]

Well that clears up a number of my 'suspicions'!

Also inclined to agree with at least some of the sentiment/bias!

But I'm sure MA was aware of at least some of the limitations of his 'fitting' anyway!

Btw. I'm always more suspicious of those that don't announce their potential bias/conflict of interest than those who are up-front about it!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Could we get him a better fit? Sure, why not?
If he's able to give us the other Trackman stats of his final build and a video of his swing, we may have room for some improvement.
Yes, I've been fitting for a number of years and if there's one thing that's almost certain, you will not get a 7.7 handicap fitted in 10 swings with a standard length shaft - period. There is nothing wrong with TM products or the custom capabilities they provide, but essentially it's important to know the difference between a fitting "experience" (as per the Vegas shop) and the actual performance labs fitting (as per TM's internal fitting structure).
I have no doubt that the OP is pleased with his purchase, but to call it a personal fitting based on what is (or isn't) an optimal match for their swing based on the evidence given and my experience of TM's fitting criteria - is not helping anybody (except TM perhaps).
We could go down the road of specifics, but since the OP (perhaps somewhat justifiably) has chosen to use abusive remarks, rather than reason - I have no further input to give.
Apologies to old mate Doc Griffin who actually WILL be in Nevada next month (only visiting for 3 days though) and charges around $250 for a full custom session and build to spec (cost of driver and shaft extra).

I got to 5 with a driver that was fitted with a handful of swings on the monitor.

 

[MadAdey]

When ever anyone goes to a fitting centre there will be certain limitations due to the fact that I do not know of anywhere that actually stocks every custom option available, apart from maybe the tour truck or going to the manufacturers headquarters for a fitting. How will Doc Griffin give me the greatest fitting of my life, as I would expect for $250. Has he got access to every SLDR head in every loft and colour? Has he got carts full of shaft options in varying weights, lengths and flexes?


You can read what you want about the TM fitting centre in Vegas, but everything you say is from the web, which we all know is perfectly accurate. These are the facts...........


The fitter is a TM master club fitter, ex tour truck fitter.
He had every SLDR head in every colour and loft.
Apart from the standard Speeder & TP Speeder in every flex available he also had........
Matrix Black Tie in all 4 weights and R,S & XS flexes.
Matrix Red Tie in the 6Q3 & 8Q3 in R,S & XS flexes.
Oban Devotion 6 in S & XS flexes.
Aldila Tour Green 75 in R,S & XS flexes.
Graphite design YS6 & more but cant remember the rest.
All in all they sat in one of those shaft fitting trolleys and there must have been in excess of 50/60 shafts for that driver. I can't remember the last time I saw anywhere with that many options to try, most places do not have anything apart from the standard and TP shafts.

 

[CMAC]

Please - if you want to check for yourself, you will see there are no association of certified club fitting professionals in the whole of Nevada - it being a bit of a desert might have something to do with it. I'm sure the OP is more than satisfied with their purchase, but in response to all that bemoan the lack of similar facilities in the UK - all I can say is all that glitters ain't gold. If on the other hand you were to try out the TM facility at Wentworth (a bit closer than Vegas), you will find certified pros on hand who will be more than happy to help you find the correct fitting club. Sessions start from £100 - and no, you don't get that money back with a purchase of any club.
Different pond, different frogs. The difference in the final product is worlds apart.

I did, after 5 mins hitting irons he said "I think we'll just put the same shafts in the new clubs as you currently play..."