VAR - Thoughts

[Swango1980]

So as the ball was deflected by Maguire how is he then offside? If the shot had deflected off another Everton player I get that the subsequent interference is caused by the attacking team so the office is complete, but it's not the same when the ball is played by the defending team.

I don't understand this quote.

What are you trying to say here? Are you saying that if a player is an offside position when a teammate plays the ball, but the ball is subsequently touched by an opposition player, you are no longer offside?

So, is your logic that, Sigurdsson was in an offside position when the Everton player kicked the ball. However, once it was deflected by Maguire, then he was not in an offside position, because the ball arrived to Sigurdsson from a player in the opposition?

 

[Kellfire]

I don't understand this quote.

What are you trying to say here? Are you saying that if a player is an offside position when a teammate plays the ball, but the ball is subsequently touched by an opposition player, you are no longer offside?

So, is your logic that, Sigurdsson was in an offside position when the Everton player kicked the ball. However, once it was deflected by Maguire, then he was not in an offside position, because the ball arrived to Sigurdsson from a player in the opposition?

He’s consistently showing both a lack of understanding of the offside rule and how VAR works. Don’t waste your time because you’ll just be met with more unwarranted aggression.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Let me guess, you are NOT a Man Utd fan, who doesn't agree with the decision? Who do you support?

I will happily admit when a decision has gone Uniteds way, when it shouldn't have. I'm not the only one that thought it was offside. VAR thought it was offside. The Premier League (or whoever represents the referees), made a statement confirming why it was offside. The pundits on Sky agreed it was offside. The pundits on Match of the Day 2 agreed it was offside. Even Ancelotti, once the dust settled, was still obviously frustrated, but could see why that decision was made.

So, although individual sources can often get it wrong, there seems to be a lot of agreement between a range of sources that the decision was correct, most of who could be considered to have a neutral opinion.

Yet, you say that the only reason I agree with the decision is that I am a Man Utd fan. Well, does that mean I shouldn't be allowed an opinion on anything to do with Man Utd?

If this had happened against Liverpool, and the goal was given, Liverpool fans would be enranged. Same with Everton fans, Man City fans, Chelsea fans, Arsenal fans, etc. And, they'd have every right, because it WAS offside.

Maybe you're the one being condescending if you simply think others should agree with your opinion? Which, in my opinion, is wrong.

Look at your last paragraph in the post I replied too! I’m not the one trying to be holier than thou and debating the issue rather than having cheap, childish, snidey digs at other posters.

Of course I accept the decision, you have made up all sorts of reasons why it was ruled out, even what De Gea was thinking!

I’m also not interested what pundits have said, or maybe I should quote Rio Ferdinand or Howard Webb or the Officials on the pitch.

You’ve time and time again made excuses as to why it was not clear and obvious.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I don't understand this quote.

What are you trying to say here? Are you saying that if a player is an offside position when a teammate plays the ball, but the ball is subsequently touched by an opposition player, you are no longer offside?

So, is your logic that, Sigurdsson was in an offside position when the Everton player kicked the ball. However, once it was deflected by Maguire, then he was not in an offside position, because the ball arrived to Sigurdsson from a player in the opposition?

You don’t understand it because you’re clueless!! And are still missing the point of yesterday’s decision?

Do you remember last season when Spurs got a decision v LPool after the ball deflected off Lovren? Despite the Spurs player being in an offside position.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

He’s consistently showing both a lack of understanding of the offside rule and how VAR works. Don’t waste your time because you’ll just be met with more unwarranted aggression.

It’s you who doesn’t understand the offside rule!

• A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball (except from a deliberate save by any opponent) is not considered to have gained an advantage.

 

[Kellfire]

It’s you who doesn’t understand the offside rule!

• A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball (except from a deliberate save by any opponent) is not considered to have gained an advantage.

Nope, it’s you who doesn’t. He’s offside the moment the shot is hit. He doesn’t then magically become onside again because it touches Maguire.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Nope, it’s you who doesn’t. He’s offside the moment the shot is hit. He doesn’t then magically become onside again because it touches Maguire.

Again you show your ignorance, yesterday VAR deemed him offside as interfering with De Gea’s line of sight.

If the ball had sailed over the bar and not hit Maguire the linesman still would of not flagged and VAR wouldn’t of got involved, but Sigurdsson and De Gea would of had the exact same roles.

Please try and open your eyes to more than yesterday.

 

[Kellfire]

Again you show your ignorance, yesterday VAR deemed him offside as interfering with De Gea’s line of sight.

If the ball had sailed over the bar and not hit Maguire the linesman still would of not flagged and VAR wouldn’t of got involved, but Sigurdsson and De Gea would of had the exact same roles.

Please try and open your eyes to more than yesterday.

Please, stop. It’s getting embarrassing now. Why can’t you just say you got it wrong and move on? Or just stop replying? Why the need to have the last word when you must know you’re wrong.

 

[Swango1980]

Again you show your ignorance, yesterday VAR deemed him offside as interfering with De Gea’s line of sight.

If the ball had sailed over the bar and not hit Maguire the linesman still would of not flagged and VAR wouldn’t of got involved, but Sigurdsson and De Gea would of had the exact same roles.

Please try and open your eyes to more than yesterday.

Paul

You have just embarrassed yourself here. Trying to have a debate when you clearly don't understand the offside rule to begin with. If the shot had gone straight over the bar, then the role of both De Gea and Sigurdsson would be completely irrelevant. However, if the ball ends up in the back of the nett, that assumption can no longer be applied.

What if a team mate played a ball through to a player who was offside, but the ball got a nick off a defender on the way through? You saying it should not be offside because it last came off the defender. CLEARLY, he would still be offside.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Again you show your ignorance, yesterday VAR deemed him offside as interfering with De Gea’s line of sight.

If the ball had sailed over the bar and not hit Maguire the linesman still would of not flagged and VAR wouldn’t of got involved, but Sigurdsson and De Gea would of had the exact same roles.

Please try and open your eyes to more than yesterday.

I’m struggling with the point you are trying to make here ?

You already know why the linesman didn’t flag - he can’t see from his angle if he is interfering or not.


Why would VAR need to get involved if the ball went sailing over the bar ?


Its been a big discussion on phones etc today mainly on talksport and all refs said it was down to interpretation and that all bar one ( Clattenburg) believed it to be the right call - lots of guests etc all seemed to think it was the right call with the odd saying it was wrong

At the end of the day it was down to the VAR referee interpretation that Sigurdsson was interfering with play

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Paul

You have just embarrassed yourself here. Trying to have a debate when you clearly don't understand the offside rule to begin with. If the shot had gone straight over the bar, then the role of both De Gea and Sigurdsson would be completely irrelevant. However, if the ball ends up in the back of the nett, that assumption can no longer be applied.

What if a team mate played a ball through to a player who was offside, but the ball got a nick off a defender on the way through? You saying it should not be offside because it last came off the defender. CLEARLY, he would still be offside.

Can a LPool or Spurs fan explain the Lovren incident at Anfield last year please.

Found it:
https://www.espn.com/soccer/blog/es...tottenham-have-had-two-penalties-at-liverpool

Await your apology.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I’m struggling with the point you are trying to make here ?

You already know why the linesman didn’t flag - he can’t see from his angle if he is interfering or not.


Why would VAR need to get involved if the ball went sailing over the bar ?


Its been a big discussion on phones etc today mainly on talksport and all refs said it was down to interpretation and that all bar one ( Clattenburg) believed it to be the right call - lots of guests etc all seemed to think it was the right call with the odd saying it was wrong

At the end of the day it was down to the VAR referee interpretation that Sigurdsson was interfering with play

I’ve said and clarified the offside is based on the moment Calvert-Lewin struck the ball. End of story for the decision.

People bringing Maguire and Sigurdsson’s position after the deflection is irrelevant, therefore I’m trying to clarify/ask why it keeps getting brought into the discussion.

The offside law didn’t change yesterday, so I can’t see the relevance.

 

[Beezerk]

Soooo, was Sigurdson (spelling ?) offside when the initial shot was taken? Before the deflection I mean.

 

[Swango1980]

I’ve said and clarified the offside is based on the moment Calvert-Lewin struck the ball. End of story for the decision.

People bringing Maguire and Sigurdsson’s position after the deflection is irrelevant, therefore I’m trying to clarify/ask why it keeps getting brought into the discussion.

The offside law didn’t change yesterday, so I can’t see the relevance.

Right, so you are saying offside was the correct decision yesterday?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I’ve said and clarified the offside is based on the moment Calvert-Lewin struck the ball. End of story for the decision.

People bringing Maguire and Sigurdsson’s position after the deflection is irrelevant, therefore I’m trying to clarify/ask why it keeps getting brought into the discussion.

The offside law didn’t change yesterday, so I can’t see the relevance.

I’m still struggling to understand the point you are making - when the ball was struck the player was in an offside position , the ball was then deflected by Maguire and the player then was deemed by the VAR to be interfering - it wasn’t deemed to be a new phase in play which allows Siggurdsson to become active and I suspect they also don’t see Maguire as making a deliberate play at the ball.

 

[Kellfire]

Soooo, was Sigurdson (spelling ?) offside when the initial shot was taken? Before the deflection I mean.

Yes. And that’s ALL that matters here.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Bloody hell Paul 24hrs later and you're still banging on about that goal ?

Let it go fella ??

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Right, so you are saying offside was the correct decision yesterday?

Answer post #351

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I’m still struggling to understand the point you are making - when the ball was struck the player was in an offside position , the ball was then deflected by Maguire and the player then was deemed by the VAR to be interfering - it wasn’t deemed to be a new phase in play which allows Siggurdsson to become active and I suspect they also don’t see Maguire as making a deliberate play at the ball.

No, as soon as the ball was struck he was interfering with De Gea, everything else is irrelevant.

The clarification from the ruling body does not mention Maguire.

Whether they see Maguires action as deliberate, again, not come out and said.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

It’s these d***heads who don’t understand football laws, just trying to educate them Stu!

????

If Sigurdsson would've done better you wouldn't have had to educate them now ?