Vaccines

[Crazyface]

If my doctor has the vaccine, then I will. Otherwise I'll take my chances.
PS My mum (82) is adamant she will not be having it. She has never had the flu vaccine either. She's very healthy. Although her blood alcohol level is kept quite high. LOL

 

[Ethan]

Are you a doctor?

Yes.

 

[Deleted member 21258]

If you are interested(usa based):-

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/938494

 

[Blue in Munich]

This was on sky news a few hours ago. Quote “ Sky news understands”.

The UK is only buying a vaccine to protect the people most vulnerable to COVID-19 - effectively ending any hope of herd immunity in the foreseeable future, Sky News understands.

Every vaccine bought for the UK stockpile since the summer has been on the assumption that just 30 million people - less than half the population - will get it.


With such low coverage, the virus would continue to spread and some form of social distancing would still be needed.

The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) issued advice in June that said people over 50, those with underlying health issues, and health and care workers should be given priority.

The young and healthy should only be given the jab once further analysis has been done on the risks and benefits, the committee concluded.

That last bit, what’s the further analysis bit, re short, medium and long term?

And why would they do anything else? This is a unique situation, and given the amount of research going on, I wouldn't be surprised if breakthroughs aren't being made on a daily basis; knowledge of the virus will certainly be changing daily. So the Government buys sufficient vaccine in the short term to protect the most vulnerable, whilst watching developments and seeing if there is a better vaccine in development/production for those not yet vaccinated, and seeing if there is an established cost benefit in vaccinating the less vulnerable. All sounds a reasonable course of action in that light. It also avoids sitting on a stockpile of inferior vaccines, for want of a better description.

Have Sky News actually got proof that the Government are only planning to vaccinate 30 million people? Of course they haven't, as the line you have bolded concedes.

 

[robinthehood]

Are you a doctor?

Yes, you can tell this by where he plays his golf

 

[Ethan]

If my doctor has the vaccine, then I will. Otherwise I'll take my chances.
PS My mum (82) is adamant she will not be having it. She has never had the flu vaccine either. She's very healthy. Although her blood alcohol level is kept quite high. LOL

Your doctor, as a frontline NHS worker, will be offered it, But the real question to make sense of your position is whether they have the same risk profile as you - age, ethnicity, weight, co-morbidities? It would be rather silly to decline if you are a middle aged man with Type 2 diabetes and high blood pressure who knows where all the pies went, and your GP was a slim 32 year old marathon runner. Or it may be reasonable to decline, for now, if it is the other way round.

 

[Ethan]

Yes, you tell this by where he plays his golf

There are fewer than you would think. More business types.

 

[MC72]

Yes.

Where did you study, and what did you specialise in?

 

[robinthehood]

Where did you study, and what did you specialise in?

Are you Jeremy Paxman?

 

[clubchamp98]

Is he wrong to consider the very unlikely possibility that you might have a severe anaphylactic reaction to some element of the vaccine? No. There were a handful of severe reactions (single figures) to albumin in the flu vaccine amongst the millions vaccinated last year. It is vanishingly unlikely and should be written in large print on the front of your medical records if you have such an allergy.

Covid vaccines are not made with albumin, so no need to ask about eggs for that. Your comment above related to possible risks with Covid vaccines. What allergic reactions were you thinking about?

All of them .
I don’t have any except pollen.
But as we don’t know what it’s made of we can’t say.
But if it was derived from nut oil then a lot of people won’t be able to take it.
My reply you quote was a direct answer to bob Mac about a leap in the risk.

 

[Deleted member 21258]

Couple more links, if you click on the little circles , more details come up about what is happening and what they are :-

https://www.raps.org/news-and-articles/news-articles/2020/3/covid-19-vaccine-tracker

https://www.raps.org/news-and-articles/news-articles/2020/3/covid-19-therapeutics-tracker

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/938494

Think I got a couple of others, saved and if I find them will load up.

if anyone has any other links, always interested to read about, now the early nights are here

PS I am Not providing public health advice, this is for people who maybe interested in just reading about it, beats reading Bella or Dennis the menace mags

 

[Ethan]

All of them .
I don’t have any except pollen.
But as we don’t know what it’s made of we can’t say.
But if it was derived from nut oil then a lot of people won’t be able to take it.
My reply you quote was a direct answer to bob Mac about a leap in the risk.

OK. Nut oil and pollen are not commonly used in drug development. Ingredients used in new drugs or vaccines are carefully considered during product development. Components known to generate allergic reactions are only used if there is no alternative. Flu vaccines without albumin are available, but the cost of development is higher, so the NHS does not routinely use them.

 

[clubchamp98]

OK. Nut oil and pollen are not commonly used in drug development. Ingredients used in new drugs or vaccines are carefully considered during product development. Components known to generate allergic reactions are only used if there is no alternative. Flu vaccines without albumin are available, but the cost of development is higher, so the NHS does not routinely use them.

That’s all I was saying to Bob .
There are people who will not be able to take a vaccine.
But they should be very careful and protect themselves.

 

[bobmac]

But they should be very careful and protect themselves.

If they have allergies then they're probably used to checking contents.

 

[MC72]

Where did you study, and what did you specialise in?

Reasonable request and reasonable questions.....

 

[Ethan]

Where did you study, and what did you specialise in?

Medicine, at a UK Russell Group University. Public Health first (at a different UK Russell Group University) then Pharmaceutical Medicine (in various jobs). I have a lot of letters, but don't use all of them on my business card.

Public Health includes disease outbreaks, epidemiology, interpreting clinical trials and pharmaceutical medicine includes developing new drugs and vaccines.

Would you like references? I am available for consulting (rates on request).

 

[williamalex1]

Medicine, at a UK Russell Group University. Public Health first (at a different UK Russell Group University) then Pharmaceutical Medicine (in various jobs). I have a lot of letters, but don't use all of them on my business card.

Public Health includes disease outbreaks, epidemiology, interpreting clinical trials and pharmaceutical medicine includes developing new drugs and vaccines.

Would you like references? I am available for consulting (rates on request).

Bet you'd do his Prostate test free,

 

[Ethan]

Bet you'd do his Prostate test free,

That sounds a little homophobic. I can refer you to a psychologist where you can open up about your repressed issues in a safe place.

 

[williamalex1]

I was thinking more the revenge aspect , but maybe I'll see you at a clinic somewhere someday .
Only joshin pal , take care

 

[Ethan]

I was thinking more the revenge aspect , but maybe I'll see you at a clinic somewhere someday .
Only joshin pal , take care

Fair enough.