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Vaccines

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Will you have the covid-19 vaccine jab as soon as it is possible

  • Yes

    Votes: 55 66.3%

  • Not immediately

    Votes: 19 22.9%

  • No not ever

    Votes: 2 2.4%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 7 8.4%
  • Total voters
    83
I don’t expect there to be any problem side effects with the vaccine.
But caution would say if there is a problem that is not foreseen then we might lose a big chunk of the key workers if they all have it at once.
Normally these things take years .
 
From today’s news.

The first generation of COVID-19 vaccines "is likely to be imperfect" and "might not work for everyone", the chair of the UK Vaccine Taskforce has said.


Anyone want to change there vote. Me al follow Missis T,s advice.
 
Tashyboy said:
From today’s news.

The first generation of COVID-19 vaccines "is likely to be imperfect" and "might not work for everyone", the chair of the UK Vaccine Taskforce has said.


Anyone want to change there vote. Me al follow Missis T,s advice.
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That’s not saying they’re going to be unsafe though, is it?
 
Tashyboy said:
From today’s news.

The first generation of COVID-19 vaccines "is likely to be imperfect" and "might not work for everyone", the chair of the UK Vaccine Taskforce has said.


Anyone want to change there vote. Me al follow Missis T,s advice.
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Nope, somebody has to start the ball rolling to see how it works. May as well be me as anyone else.
 
It is very unlikely the first vaccines will be 95% vaccines, saying that I hope they are.

There are times when rushed medicines have not been a good thing and I think you have to look at the whole picture and be very balanced and not blinded on one side. Especially as vaccinating millions and millions of people and you do not know the medium to long term effects of the vaccine.

There are good reasons why vaccines normally take a lot longer than normal medicines to come to market, as you are giving it to generally healthy people......and who at this stage we do not know truly the long term effects of the vaccines(if anyone is interested I have a couple of links saved that show all the different kinds of vaccines being developed and the technology being used on the vaccine types. Quite an interesting read and almost all of them are very clever)

You have to bear in mind that this viruses death rate is fairly low for the under 50s or even under 60s(estimates now less than 1% even some lower giving it as lower than 0.5%). So any bad vaccines could give worse results if side effects filter though. I don't care what the big chiefs say tbh, they are not truly independent and do not know the long term effects(if any), until longer term comes.

So for an example Swine Flu vaccine, there were some nasty side effects for the younger generation :-

https://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/...1n1_safety_assessing/narcolepsy_statement/en/

As clubchamp98 says its a choice we will have to make and for certain I am glad I do not have young children that I have to decide for, as they are the safest from the virus anyway. Think it is an easy choice for the much older 70-80+ year olds who have underlying conditions tho.

This is why I was interested in the poll results, as the whole is far from clear for many and why I am probably in the camp of wait and see for a while, which I will be anyway as the vaccine will not be there for me initially as they are more deserving pressing cases/people.
 
DRW said:
It is very unlikely the first vaccines will be 95% vaccines, saying that I hope they are.

There are times when rushed medicines have not been a good thing and I think you have to look at the whole picture and be very balanced and not blinded on one side. Especially as vaccinating millions and millions of people and you do not know the medium to long term effects of the vaccine.

There are good reasons why vaccines normally take a lot longer than normal medicines to come to market, as you are giving it to generally healthy people......and who at this stage we do not know truly the long term effects of the vaccines(if anyone is interested I have a couple of links saved that show all the different kinds of vaccines being developed and the technology being used on the vaccine types. Quite an interesting read and almost all of them are very clever)

You have to bear in mind that this viruses death rate is fairly low for the under 50s or even under 60s(estimates now less than 1% even some lower giving it as lower than 0.5%). So any bad vaccines could give worse results if side effects filter though. I don't care what the big chiefs say tbh, they are not truly independent and do not know the long term effects(if any), until longer term comes.

So for an example Swine Flu vaccine, there were some nasty side effects for the younger generation :-

https://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/...1n1_safety_assessing/narcolepsy_statement/en/

As clubchamp98 says its a choice we will have to make and for certain I am glad I do not have young children that I have to decide for, as they are the safest from the virus anyway. Think it is an easy choice for the much older 70-80+ year olds who have underlying conditions tho.

This is why I was interested in the poll results, as the whole is far from clear for many and why I am probably in the camp of wait and see for a while, which I will be anyway as the vaccine will not be there for me initially as they are more deserving pressing cases/people.
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There is a lot to disagree with there. The development of these vaccines has been fast, but 'rushed' implies that corners have been cut and safety compromised. You need to explain how that is the case.

Vaccines normally take a long time because we have a long time, and each step is sequential with plenty of thinking time, manufacturing slots reserved for a future time and so on. In this case some of those steps have been done in parallel rather than sequentially, and much of the dead time has been cut out. Companies have shared IP and worked with academic institutions and regulators in a different way.

The death rate may be low, but the death rate does not tell the whole story, there is growing evidence of long term multiorgan morbidity, and a stay in ICU with a tube down your throat is something you might want to avoid.

Swine flu is an entirely different virus and a very different type of vaccine was developed. If you read that link, you will see that the vaccine-associated risk of narcolepsy with the vaccine was 3 per 100,000, and the side effect was considered to be due to an immunological adjuvant in the vaccine which is only used when an inactivated virus is used as the basis for the vaccine. That is not the case with Covid vaccines. Each of these stories, from thalidomide to the swine flu vaccine provide important science which informs future development and improves understanding about how to develop future candidates.
 
Ethan said:
There is a lot to disagree with there. The development of these vaccines has been fast, but 'rushed' implies that corners have been cut and safety compromised. You need to explain how that is the case.

Vaccines normally take a long time because we have a long time, and each step is sequential with plenty of thinking time, manufacturing slots reserved for a future time and so on. In this case some of those steps have been done in parallel rather than sequentially, and much of the dead time has been cut out. Companies have shared IP and worked with academic institutions and regulators in a different way.

The death rate may be low, but the death rate does not tell the whole story, there is growing evidence of long term multiorgan morbidity, and a stay in ICU with a tube down your throat is something you might want to avoid.

Swine flu is an entirely different virus and a very different type of vaccine was developed. If you read that link, you will see that the vaccine-associated risk of narcolepsy with the vaccine was 3 per 100,000, and the side effect was considered to be due to an immunological adjuvant in the vaccine which is only used when an inactivated virus is used as the basis for the vaccine. That is not the case with Covid vaccines. Each of these stories, from thalidomide to the swine flu vaccine provide important science which informs future development and improves understanding about how to develop future candidates.
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I don't take well to 'a stay in ICU with a tube down YOUR throat' as polite or even necessary and it is very pointed.

I therefore leave you to your posting style which is far from polite or nice or necessary, as many people have pointed out to you before is very aggressive, but you see no problem with.
 
DRW said:
I don't take well to 'a stay in ICU with a tube down YOUR throat' as polite or even necessary and it is very pointed.

I therefore leave you to your posting style which is far from polite or nice or necessary, as many people have pointed out to you before is very aggressive, but you see no problem with.
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Oh, get over yourself.

Your posting style is you post false, misleading information which might discourage people from getting a vaccine, this endangering their health.

My style is that I robustly call you on it.

I am happy with my style in that circumstance, thanks. If you post inflammatory content, you should expect robust responses. You are right, though. You WOULDN'T take well to an ICU stay, nor would I, but someone needs to wake you up that there is more to Covid than deaths. I will consider that box now well and truly ticked.

It is typical of the exposed waffler to pick one line they disagree with and use that as a pretext to throw all their toys out and thereby avoid mentioning anything else. I will therefore assume you have no other coherent argument to offer. Try to stop fear mongering and misinformation, in the interests of public health.
 
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Ethan said:
Oh, get over yourself.

Your posting style is you post false, misleading information which might discourage people from getting a vaccine, this endangering their health.

My style is that I robustly call you on it.

I am happy with my style in that circumstance, thanks. If you post inflammatory content, you should expect robust responses. You are right, though. You WOULDN'T take well to an ICU stay, nor would I, but someone needs to wake you up that there is more to Covid than deaths. I will consider that box now well and truly ticked.

It is typical of the exposed waffler to pick one line they disagree with and use that as a pretext to throw all their toys out and thereby avoid mentioning anything else. I will therefore assume you have no other coherent argument to offer. Try to stop fear mongering and misinformation, in the interests of public health.
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Aggressive again.

The post I made was not false or misleading. The post I made just in case you missed it is my thoughts and some facts. Thats what forums normally are.

I know about post viral symptoms as we have discussed before, they are not new and some virus have nasty post stuff for sure. I never even mentioned post viral stuff in my post, but yeah its part of the big picture and is something I take into account when considering the vaccines.

You replied with some valid points (you can dismiss certain vaccines for instance but there are plenty of other examples of medical errors. You miss the big picture with regards to new medicines and that is, medical errors happen and people live with those errors.).

I do not consider you the oracle or my lecturer on all things medical and happy doing my own research and that isn't rammed down my throat.

Thankfully in life I can choose who I talk to or not and will be my last post to you but wish you well.
 
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BTT, as an original shielder due to other health conditions, I would welcome a vaccine, but I wouldn't be taking it without the clearance from my specialist consultant after further testing of it on people like me. (I would be happy to be a guinea pig, but no one wants me!!)
 
DRW said:
I don't take well to 'a stay in ICU with a tube down YOUR throat' as polite or even necessary and it is very pointed.

I therefore leave you to your posting style which is far from polite or nice or necessary, as many people have pointed out to you before is very aggressive, but you see no problem with.
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Haha. Well done on the extraordinary leap that would take that to mean that Ethan hopes you have to suffer the trauma of being intubated.

You could rival the best pole vaulters without a pole with that one.

As Ethan has said, you take personal offence at having your inaccuracies called out. Why not thank him for his expertise on the matter and giving you a succinct explanation? Nah, play the man and not the ball.
 
drdel said:
Is it possible to have a thread òn a COVID topic that doesn't end up as just bickering?
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bobmac said:
It seems not :(
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I thought the thread was quite interesting, hearing the different points of view of people and hopefully a positive matter to happen fairly shortly.

Sorry about my part in the bickering:(:oops:
 
clubchamp98 said:
Dosnt say it’s safe either!
It’s bound to have a bad effect on some people , law of averages.
It’s a choice we will have to make.
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I still remain confident that our own scientists are not going to release a vaccine unless they are sure it is safe.

I know nothing about the science behind this, but do understand the concern out there that this is all happening too quickly. I am sure Ethan will correct me if I’m wrong, but the development of a coronavirus vaccine, by my understanding, is merely an extension of work which has been ongoing for years.

We are, of course, free to make a choice as to whether we all have the vaccine or not. Whatever the choice of everyone here, I wish you all well. It’s a choice I’m sure we’d all rather not have to make.
 
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