Using lie angle to close the iron face

[harpo_72]

I was looking at my irons and I am consistently left of target.
The clubs are 1 degrees upright and when I was fitted I asked why as my preferred were 1 degree flat. I was told the dynamic conditions were the reason.
However since the fitting I have strengthened my grip so I don’t need help closing the face.
The 1 degree flat irons seem to be straight on target.
I am wondering whether I should ask to have my iron lies adjusted-bearing in mind they are Ping irons.
Also lofts have been 2 degrees weaker so 29->31 for example

 

[Neilds]

Does this help? Too upright means shots will go left, apparently about 4 yards for every degree so if you went 2 degrees flatter (to 1 degree flat) then you 'should' move the ball about 8 yards to the right.

 

[harpo_72]

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Does this help? Too upright means shots will go left, apparently about 4 yards for every degree so if you went 2 degrees flatter (to 1 degree flat) then you 'should' move the ball about 8 yards to the right.

Yes I think I am 8-9yards left of target if I don’t try and fudge it. I just took the old clubs that were 1 degree flat and I was just flying down my aim line. My wedges are standard and they are just aftermarket off the shelf stuff and they fly straight as well.

 

[Crow]

There are a lot of variables in the degree of influence lie angle has on a shot's direction.

Probably the three biggest are:
How hard the ground is.
Where in relation to the ball do you first strike the ground (ie do you fat it or top it?).
How deep is your divot.

 

[jim8flog]

Basic personal dynamic test is to put tape on the sole of the club and hit off a suitable to surface to mark the sole of the club. Ask the the pro if you can borrow a lie board and then there is no need for tape. I find hitting off a reasonably new mat does the trick any way.

At my last fitting I had asked for 2 degrees flat but the fitter said 'why bother, how often do hit off a truly flat lie'. I think because the club shafts were shorter than I had previously used the test did not really show a need for the lie to be altered.

 

[harpo_72]

There are a lot of variables in the degree of influence lie angle has on a shot's direction.

Probably the three biggest are:
How hard the ground is.
Where in relation to the ball do you first strike the ground (ie do you fat it or top it?).
How deep is your divot.

Usually after the ball divot is shallow to zero.
Ground was soft but that doesn’t usually bother me I usually just go through any thing.

 

[harpo_72]

Basic personal dynamic test is to put tape on the sole of the club and hit off a suitable to surface to mark the sole of the club. Ask the the pro if you can borrow a lie board and then there is no need for tape. I find hitting off a reasonably new mat does the trick any way.

At my last fitting I had asked for 2 degrees flat but the fitter said 'why bother, how often do hit off a truly flat lie'. I think because the club shafts were shorter than I had previously used the test did not really show a need for the lie to be altered.

He has a point .. my course is flat but I would argue why should you have to consider the lie when it’s flat ?

 

[Crow]

Usually after the ball divot is shallow to zero.
Ground was soft but that doesn’t usually bother me I usually just go through any thing.

I wouldn't have thought lie angle would have had much impact on the club face alignment at impact then.

 

[harpo_72]

I wouldn't have thought lie angle would have had much impact on the club face alignment at impact then.

That was my initial thought but I had a few divots that were angled as well .. but I could not work round the lefts

 

[jim8flog]

That was my initial thought but I had a few divots that were angled as well .. but I could not work round the lefts

When looking at divot holes look closely at the first cut in to the ground, that will tell you club face angle at impact, secondly look at the direction, it will tell you swing path and lastly look at shape if it curves it shows you rolling you hand at impact if straight shows you hit without doing so.

Always been my biggest disappointment with our practice ground becoming a driving range - no longer able to learn from divot holes.

 

[Neilds]

When looking at divot holes look closely at the first cut in to the ground, that will tell you club face angle at impact, secondly look at the direction, it will tell you swing path and lastly look at shape if it curves it shows you rolling you hand at impact if straight shows you hit without doing so.

Always been my biggest disappointment with our practice ground becoming a driving range - no longer able to learn from divot holes.

Think the divot will be more of a splat after this rain!

 

[clubchamp98]

I was the opposite.
Shaft deflected down and put the toe down first and missed everything right.
So 2 up and sweet as a nut.
The leading edge of my divot is now square.

 

[harpo_72]

I was the opposite.
Shaft deflected down and put the toe down first and missed everything right.
So 2 up and sweet as a nut.
The leading edge of my divot is now square.

That’s how I am with 1 degrees flat irons ..

 

[Deleted member 36474]

That’s how I am with 1 degrees flat irons ..

Same shafts?
If you've been fitted into different shafts good chance shaft performs differently.
Any Trackman data? Spin axis will tell you a lot.

 

[srixon 1]

I was the opposite.
Shaft deflected down and put the toe down first and missed everything right.
So 2 up and sweet as a nut.
The leading edge of my divot is now square.

That’s what happens (or should) during a normal swing, the shaft bows slightly causing the toe to move down. That’s why in the good old days people used to say that you should be able to get a coin below the toe of the iron when the club was at the address position.

 

[harpo_72]

Same shafts?
If you've been fitted into different shafts good chance shaft performs differently.
Any Trackman data? Spin axis will tell you a lot.

No shafts are completely different. Which is why I accepted the dynamic comment.
So 1 degree flat is steel and 2 degrees up are graphite.

 

[Klimski]

Work on your stance: a bit closer to the ball may tilt the club more upright, a bit further tilts flatter

 

[RichA]

Work on your stance: a bit closer to the ball may tilt the club more upright, a bit further tilts flatter

Other way around innit?

 

[Slab]

Other way around innit?

He maybe thinks of upright/flat the same way round I do i.e with shaft & heel 'up' (to me) is more 'upright!
Yet the diagram in post 2 says that's actually 'flat' and instead looks at it from the perspective of what he toe does

 

[Klimski]

He maybe thinks of upright/flat the same way round I do i.e with shaft & heel 'up' (to me) is more 'upright!
Yet the diagram in post 2 says that's actually 'flat' and instead looks at it from the perspective of what he toe does

That is exactly how I see it - upright is heel up...to me. So it's actually the other way round?! Golf is full of surprises...