Urgent Statement from PM today

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Hacker Khan said:
Well if you read my post you would see that I said 'Sounds OK to me'. Which may give you a hint of where I may be going. With regards to trident then I honestly do not give a toss as it is just a ploy by certain politicians who need to keep the public in a perpetual state of fear so they can say they are the best to defend your nation. Not sure how many Tridents we have used as opposed to how many teachers we have lost or operations that have been cancelled or increase in people living rough on the streets in the past 20 years.

I have not made my mind up totally yet as I do still have issues with some of Corbyn's shadow cabinet. I am not deluded to think that a Labour government will suddenly make the NHS and education perfect, it isn't about finding the perfect solution but finding a party who best represents how you would like society to be. But if there is a choice between trying to fund public services in a sensible way or mostly leaving them to rot whilst demonising anyone on benefits, then no contest to me.

And if you think the tories are so strong and stable you have a short memory about Brexit and the aftermath. As there is a very strong argument to say that the whole thing was instigated as there was so much infighting and fear of UKIP stealing their thunder. Then the positioning of the key players around during the brexit referendum was mostly motivated by political ambition and manoeuvring for the leadership of the Tory party as opposed to any heartfelt economic and political reasons. Just because we now have Thatcher 2 wearing leather trouser and saying strong and stable a bit doesn't make them any more appealing to be honest.
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You are a bit of a drama queen with your exaggerations. I never asked for an outpouring of verbal diarrhea, I just wanted to know who you would vote for.
 
SocketRocket said:
You are a bit of a drama queen with your exaggerations. I never asked for an outpouring of verbal diarrhea, I just wanted to know who you would vote for.
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Drama queen, verbal diarrhoea, classy as ever from the man who bemoans personal insults.

Make you mind up, you moan endlessly about me being sarcastic now you moan about me being passionate. Tell you what, just block me as I will you as this is just getting tedious beyond belief.
 
SocketRocket said:
If you fail to follow the economics then Diane Abbott will be pleased to explain the detail to you. Regarding Trident, you are aware that the Labour official line is to support it even though their leader doesn't but Hey Ho thsts the way the party works now. Regarding the NHS and Education, do you really believe that Labour will pour in funding so that they will never want for anything!

You do like slipping into debates and outpouring your hatred for all things Tory but you never make it clear what you are suggesting the solution is to all our problems. I am asking you directly who you believe should be the party in Government that will satisfy your discontent? Waiting for your answer!
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Oi! I thought that that was reserved for me! or is it that you do like slipping into debates and outpouring your hatred of all things even vaguely liberal.
 
maxfli65 said:
Well put HK, tha absolute mire we are currently in as a country is solely down to the Tories. Labour from 1997-2010 made some duff calls for sure but they never came close to getting the country so split and in such a god awful mess domestically as we are now. Utter embarrassment of a nation presently.
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100% with you on this...will be met by furious denial and mud-slinging of course...
 
Hacker Khan said:
Whilst Labour were in power my school were able to pay enough teachers to keep class sizes at a manageable level, invest in their CPD and buy sufficient books and other resources for the pupils. The school could also provide education that was not specifically focusing on the core subjects and allow all pupils to find something they enjoyed and could succeed at. There was not massive amounts of money sloshing around, but you could run a school for the benefit of the pupils.

Now we have had to make redundancies, have had to stop the vast majority of teacher training and have to think very carefully about purchasing any resources for the teachers to basically do their job, just so we can balance the budget. Also, even at primary school age, pupils are mostly having to be 'taught to the test' (including utterly ridiculous things like advanced grammar that I can guarantee most adults would struggle with and will never be needed, just because Gove had to do it at his prep school back in the 70s) with little opportunity to enrich their education with non core subjects. And that is before you consider the ever shrinking pot of money to help disadvantaged pupils or those with special educational needs and disabilities, who are increasingly being left to struggle on their own as no school can afford to provide the the additional assistance they need. And believe it or not we are one of the better schools, some are in much worse positions.

So if you give me the choice then yes, I know which option I'd want for the children of this nation. As best of luck once we have regained our independence with competing in a global market place with the standard of education most kids will be getting. I'd consider that a bit more on June 8th rather than who is best to provide bombs and nuclear missiles.
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Some schools in my area are seriously considering moving to a four day week due to funding problems. Can't recall such considerations being made under Labour...
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Some schools in my area are seriously considering moving to a four day week due to funding problems. Can't recall such considerations being made under Labour...
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Four day week sounds like a great idea to me! Think it may actually be a Green Party policy.
 
Hacker Khan said:
Drama queen, verbal diarrhoea, classy as ever from the man who bemoans personal insults.

Make you mind up, you moan endlessly about me being sarcastic now you moan about me being passionate. Tell you what, just block me as I will you as this is just getting tedious beyond belief.
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Feel free!
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
100% with you on this...will be met by furious denial and mud-slinging of course...
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Hobbit said:
Remind me which party increased the national debt massively in those years. Remind me which party sold off all our gold. Remind which party took us into Iraq. Remind me which party opened our door to unlimited immigration from the new EU countries when every other EU country put a cap on it.

Your rose red tinted spectacles are blinkering you from some truths...
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See above my initial response to Maxie's post. I don't like what the Tories are doing but to say Labour were wonderful whilst in power misses out a whole heap of truth. Labour ran up a massive debt during a time of boom, and were in no position to meet the bust from 2008 onwards. At best it was reckless.

No mud slinging, just honest truths. Or should we be looking for alternative truths, as taught to us by Trump?
 
Hobbit said:
See above my initial response to Maxie's post. I don't like what the Tories are doing but to say Labour were wonderful whilst in power misses out a whole heap of truth. Labour ran up a massive debt during a time of boom, and were in no position to meet the bust from 2008 onwards. At best it was reckless.

No mud slinging, just honest truths. Or should we be looking for alternative truths, as taught to us by Trump?
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Don't think anyone said Labour were wonderful, well I didn't anyway. Was referring to UK disunity / nasty splits on both nationalistic and Brexit lines. Brexit divide can be laid solely at Tories feet, Scottish nationalism comes and goes but has never been at such a high level since Tory/LD coalition and then infinitely higher since Tories took power on their own. They're supposed to be the Unionist party but are the ones driving the wedges of divide deeper (for their own ends, not the UKs benefit)........imho
 
SocketRocket said:
It all started when they encouraged millions of migrants. How did they think it would finish?
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Really? that's the answer to it all is it? migrants. A school can only take pupils to it's capacity - doesn't matter their background. And not surprisingly given I live in a wealthy part of the country where housing is all but unaffordable for the less wealthy - there are not that many migrants and their children in the catchment areas of the local primary schools - and it these schools that are considering the four day week. Migrants then? That's your answer? perhaps you need to think again.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Assumes she had a plot to start with.

And with her 180deg flip-flop from Remain to Leave I doubt she has a plan for Brexit either. So why not just paint the EU as the baddies (see 'tough-talking' speech today) so that when we leave with No Deal we know who to blame - and it won't be strict Aunt Theresa.
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She has been mandated by those that had the majority vote to flip flop so your post is hog wash, unless you feel she should have ignored the democratic vote and sided with you instead.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Really? that's the answer to it all is it? migrants. A school can only take pupils to it's capacity - doesn't matter their background. And not surprisingly given I live in a wealthy part of the country where housing is all but unaffordable for the less wealthy - there are not that many migrants and their children in the catchment areas of the local primary schools - and it these schools that are considering the four day week. Migrants then? That's your answer? perhaps you need to think again.
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No, he's right, if we all just jumped into a Tardis and went back to the 1950s then all this would be sorted out. And if we got rid of all migrant kids then all schools would be great. After all, they are mostly holding back the indigenous population.... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/e...u-migrant-pupils-perform-better-a7060106.html
 
Old Skier said:
She has been mandated by those that had the majority vote to flip flop so your post is hog wash, unless you feel she should have ignored the democratic vote and sided with you instead.
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What this country needs is a strong and stable (and flip floppy) leadership....
 
Hacker Khan said:
What this country needs is a strong and stable (and flip floppy) leadership....
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I prefer the weak and wobbly slogan we have at the moment.
Proper British is weak and wobbly.

Haven't heard 'strong and stable' for ages now [well at least two days].
I think the Ozzie guys are furiously head scratching and re-writing as we type.
'Bold as British' is my hunch for the next idiots guide punch line.
 
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