Unusual unplayable ball scenario

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In matchplay Im sure most golfers would prefer their oppo to play the bunker ;)

And if you were in the deep deep dodah (say) off the tee, I might prefer you to try to get it out rather than return to the tee and possibly hit the fairway....

But, in both scenarios, it is the player's choice and equally fair imho. Can't really see your problem with it or are you an even worse bunker player than me? :)
 

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As a relative newbie to golf I'm not totally up to speed on the rules as most of you guys probably are but, I thought the first and foremost was play it as it lies?
you can hardly say it's unplayable in a bunker can you, unless it's tight under the lip or something?
I'd consider this cheating, or at least definitely not in the spirit of the game whatever it says in the rules.
If you're unlucky enough to find yourself in a bunker after a putt you deserve not to have any help getting out IMO
 

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In matchplay Im sure most golfers would prefer their oppo to play the bunker ;)

And if you were in the deep deep dodah (say) off the tee, I might prefer you to try to get it out rather than return to the tee and possibly hit the fairway....

But, in both scenarios, it is the player's choice and equally fair imho. Can't really see your problem with it or are you an even worse bunker player than me? :)

I dont have any problem with rules but I so often see unfairness because of some. Off the tee and in the dodah :D is different to the scenario of the green and bunker, the expectations and examples off the tee are more fairly balanced by this rule and a ball unplayable off the tee is usually that, unplayable and most golfers would elect to play a ball if at all possible to gain good ground or even gain a little distance if at all possible, usually when they cannot physically play it or choose a better lie with a drop there is no advantage gained as they lose a stroke and may still be 200 yds from the green and not 2 ft from the hole. Rolling into a bunker is not remotely unplayable but the rules are allowing a player to make it so, allowing them to take another 2 ft putt that they would then have greater knowledge of the green/pace/line, there would be no such advantage after a duffed drive :D.
 

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You may see unfairness in the rules Herb - I think that the R & A would be disappointed. They do their utmost to make the rules totally fair to all. The rules are designed to make things equitable, not to penalise.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it fair that wherever you hit your ball on the course (apart from into the hole) you have the option of replaying from the same spot under penalty?


"but I so often see unfairness because of some"
For example..?????
:)

"and most golfers would elect to play a ball if at all possible to gain good ground or even gain a little distance if at all possible, usually when they cannot physically play it or choose a better lie with a drop there is no advantage gained as they lose a stroke and may still be 200 yds from the green and not 2 ft from the hole"

Eh ??

:p
 

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You may see unfairness in the rules Herb - I think that the R & A would be disappointed. They do their utmost to make the rules totally fair to all. The rules are designed to make things equitable, not to penalise.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it fair that wherever you hit your ball on the course (apart from into the hole) you have the option of replaying from the same spot under penalty?


"but I so often see unfairness because of some"
For example..?????
:)

"and most golfers would elect to play a ball if at all possible to gain good ground or even gain a little distance if at all possible, usually when they cannot physically play it or choose a better lie with a drop there is no advantage gained as they lose a stroke and may still be 200 yds from the green and not 2 ft from the hole"

Eh ??

:p

I think you are having a bit of a wind up Leftie, and please, stop breaking up threads to add to your own confusion. The final answer is SIMPLE.I really dont give a stuff, as what I believe fair or unfair won't change the rules, nor will what you think fair or unfair either. If no one can see the unfairness in the green/bunker scenario(a scenario that is unlikely to happen in a comp nor to individuals with any significant regularity to be able to assess the rule as fair to all)then I would love to see the faces on all if the results to a serious comp depended on that scenario.
Just because the R&A make the rules it doesnt always make them right or fair, otherwise there would never be a need for changes and amendments would there? ;)

Ive finished with this one now as I have better things to do.
 

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I think you are having a bit of a wind up Leftie, and please, stop breaking up threads to add to your own confusion. The final answer is SIMPLE.I really dont give a stuff, as what I believe fair or unfair won't change the rules, nor will what you think fair or unfair either. If no one can see the unfairness in the green/bunker scenario(a scenario that is unlikely to happen in a comp nor to individuals with any significant regularity to be able to assess the rule as fair to all)then I would love to see the faces on all if the results to a serious comp depended on that scenario.
Just because the R&A make the rules it doesnt always make them right or fair, otherwise there would never be a need for changes and amendments would there? ;)

Ive finished with this one now as I have better things to do.

Who?? Me??

:D :D :D :D :D :D

And finally.... re your penultimate comment, the changes and amendments happen because inequalites become apparent (e.g. recently - raking the bunker when your shot from there has landed in another bunker). As you obviously have strong feelings about this, perhaps you should express your concerns to the R & A. I will wait with bated breath for a change in the rule :D
 

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In this scenario this is relief being taken under rule 28a, basically a stroke and distance penalty. It doesn't matter is its a 10ft shot or a 250yd shot, as long as the correct procedure for replaying the shot are followed and the correct place identified as per 20-5 for dropping the ball (or placing it on the green) then there is no problem.

Rules aren't just there to punish indiscretions, the rules are there to help play the game.
 

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If I had a putt that was so difficult! I had previously put it into a bunker!! I think I'd take the bunker shot and wished for an easier putt after it?

JollysH1
 

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Fellas, I think you missed the point. If the ball was putted into the bunker it can be delared unplayable.
However it cannot be replaced on the green. If in the bunker and declared unplayable it has to be dropped in the bunker. Rule 28 is very clear on this.
Regards, scottyfan
 

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Scottyfan I would disagree---
Rule 28--"If the unplayable ball is in a bunker the player must proceed under clause a,b,c,. If he elects to proceed under clause b or c the ball must be dropped in the bunker.
Clause a--Play a ball as near as possible at the spot from which the original ball was last played.
CLause b--Drop a ball behind the point where the ball lay, keeping that point directly between the hole and the spot on which the ball is dropped, with no limit to how far behind that point the ball may be dropped.
Clause c--drop a ball within two club lengths of the spot where the ball lay, but not nearer the hole.

Clause a allows the player to replay the putt,IMHO.
 

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So if i'm at Augusta (I wish) and I have one of those slipery 2 foot putts. I knock it 3 foot past, it runs down the slope and 50 yards off the front of the green. Can I class that as unplayable and replace it under penalty?
 

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We had a talk in the club from an Irish PGA Rules Official who confirm this option.

It was an interesting evening, as he had walked our course during the afternoon and was able to offer advice on the correct procedures to adopt in an given circumstance on the course, especially regarding water hazards which are in play on holes 4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,15,16,17,18.

I think all new members should be expected to attend one of these evenings as it was educational.
 
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