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I'm not sure overall that would be the case once mindsets changed. Entry into road races and tris etc is really expensive and yet the slow-boats still enter for the experience and opportunity to try to beat their pb...

Anyone know why we have handicaps in golf? Apart from horse racing is there anything similar in other sports?

Snooker has handicaps, think Darts do as well.
 

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I'm not sure overall that would be the case once mindsets changed. Entry into road races and tris etc is really expensive and yet the slow-boats still enter for the experience and opportunity to try to beat their pb...

Anyone know why we have handicaps in golf? Apart from horse racing is there anything similar in other sports?


You get them but not to the same level. Have certainly played snooker and darts with handicaps. Have seen headstarts in races to make them a handicap too. But none are ingrained or as relied upon as they are in golf for sure
 

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links courses are over rated and playing in windy conditions is rubbish.

Any technology which makes the game easier should be allowed, wind indicator on phone, slope measures etc etc.

All tee times should have a minimum gap of 10 minutes.

Slow play is caused by the ‘serious’ golfer not related to handicap.
 

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Anyone know why we have handicaps in golf? Apart from horse racing is there anything similar in other sports?
Firstly there are handicap systems in many sports, and pastimes, from squash to snooker etc they work to varying degrees in their objective of enabling fair competition across different capabilities.

In golf, before professionals or handicaps, the club secretary (basically a pro as we know know them) would allocate strokes in every match that went out - based on his knowledge of the players capabilities. All golf was match play.
Stroke play came in amongst the professionals first and handicapping got added at club level to facilitate competition...and took off from there.
You need to look no further than the objectives of the WHS for it's purpose still - to facilitate fair competition across the widest possible group's (capability/geography/etc).
I don't share your view that the removal of handicapping as we know it wouldn't impact grass roots golf - I believe it would devastate it. For the vast majority of those who play golf at a club they do so in order to have a handicap and compete in match and competition golf (inc swindles, roll ups, etc etc). Even like minded people who get together to play from time to time go out of their way to use handicapping (societies). Remove handicapping and you remove most of the reason for being a club member - you can go off and play most courses as a small group nowadays anyway; and that would get easier of course....
At club level it's handicapping that holds it all together - the good golfers can just head of to the professional ranks, and they even get paid for their success!
 

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They should not be allowed to book out the tees and have their own comps weekly
The guys who in their 30s and 40s don't get this special treatment and usually pay the same or more to play.

Stop ramming women's pro golf down our throats
Men like watching sport a lot more than women like watching it. My girlfriend plays golf but would rather watch chick flicks on netflix than women hitting a golf ball around some courses she will never play.
 

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I agree, it is pretty unique in human only sports.

I am not sure people would change. Most people at our place don't bother entering the club championship, a scratch event, for example. I can arrange to play golf with people and not enter comps, it is still fun. Runners can run on their own but running in a race is collectively nicer and the route is laid out for you, it would not be normally (my wife does park runs, runs in a womens group). A golf course is always laid out so I don't need to enter a comp to play it. I guess my point is, by all means remove h/c and have the best golfer win. Just don't expect many people to chuck money into the pot for the 4-5 who will clean up every week. The novelty of that will soon wear off.

(I have no issue with gross and net prizes by the way. I won a Saturday comp last year and found it embarrassing that my score, in reality, was worse than 10 others. My sporting head says that is wrong so I can see where you are coming from. Anyway, I don't want to derail the thread, it is good fun (y). It is like The Purge but golf related)

i expect though that you are fine with all the low handicaps that chuck money into the comp every week without a hope in hells chance of winning;)
 

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1. Shafts are not the engine of the club.
2. Shafts do not provide you with low/high spin or low/high trajectory.
3. Golf is not a social game. if you find time to talk, the course is empty or your slow.
4. Slow golfers should be banned and placed on a register. Like pub watch, or sex offenders.
 

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Ban playing through. Rounds would be so much less stressful without people bombing up behind in an attempt to get a 4 ball round in under 3 hours on a busy weekend. You are out in the fresh air with mates playing golf, enjoy it.
 
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People who have ever shanked a ball, should not be allowed out on the course full stop. They are dangerous to get on the wrong side of ;)
 

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I agree, it is pretty unique in human only sports.

I am not sure people would change. Most people at our place don't bother entering the club championship, a scratch event, for example. I can arrange to play golf with people and not enter comps, it is still fun. Runners can run on their own but running in a race is collectively nicer and the route is laid out for you, it would not be normally (my wife does park runs, runs in a womens group). A golf course is always laid out so I don't need to enter a comp to play it. I guess my point is, by all means remove h/c and have the best golfer win. Just don't expect many people to chuck money into the pot for the 4-5 who will clean up every week. The novelty of that will soon wear off.

(I have no issue with gross and net prizes by the way. I won a Saturday comp last year and found it embarrassing that my score, in reality, was worse than 10 others. My sporting head says that is wrong so I can see where you are coming from. Anyway, I don't want to derail the thread, it is good fun (y). It is like The Purge but golf related)

In most other sports, you get round the situation by having different divisions of competition.

Examples:
Sunday league sides typically don't play premiership teams.
In cycling, you still have categories of rider, and prizes for those categories.
In combat and strength sport you have weight categories.

I'm also not sure you can compare triathlons, road races etc.. with golf, as part of the novelty is having a closed course to race on, in golf you already have a closed course, so why would you pay more to play with strangers and have no hope of winning, when you can do the same with your mates without paying the entry fee?
 

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I'm not sure overall that would be the case once mindsets changed. Entry into road races and tris etc is really expensive and yet the slow-boats still enter for the experience and opportunity to try to beat their pb...

Anyone know why we have handicaps in golf? Apart from horse racing is there anything similar in other sports?
Road cycling still run categories, doesn't it?

used to be cat'1,2,3 and Vets/Juniors and you had to score enough point each year to keep your car statues or move into the next. most races separately apart from some races were 3rd and juniors or 3rds and vets some of which were restricted gears. is afar as i remember no one wanted to be in the higher categories, you strove to be in the low, there was no expectation to win despite being crap in cycling;)
 
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