TW - ever a "Great' ?

Not TW's biggest fan either but consider the following 2 hypothetical announcements of Mr Woods arrival at any kind of function.....

"I am proud to welcome the better than average Tiger Woods"
"I am proud to welcome the great Tiger Woods"

.....It's a no brainer isn't it? Of course he's great.

He has been a great as far back as 2000 when he was at his most impressive imo.

Homer - your Faldo v Woods comment really surprised me too! Faldo was great but defined the word 'methodical' didn't he?
 
An excellent debate. The thing is there is no definitive answer, The Auburn Warrior makes a good point regarding the equipment, and we must remember the condition of the courses has also greatly improved over the years, take a look at some of the greens in The Shell World of Golf.

Of course we bring up Nicklaus, Player, Palmer, Watson because for many of us these were the first players we saw on TV on a regular basis. But why hasn't any one mention the likes of Nelson, Snead, Hagan, Sarazen or quite possibly the best Ben Hogan, why because there was none or very little TV coverage.

No priveledge up bringing for Mr Hogan and playing with a golf club aged 18 months. He unfortunately witnessed his father committing suicide in front of him at the age of 9 and also survived a near death car crash in 1949 when he broke his pelvis, collarbone, ankle and ribs.

As for the grand slam, no one has actually achieved this near impossible feat, yes Tiger has held all four titles at the same time but not in the same year, his best is three, the same as Ben Hogan, who won the Masters, the US Open and the Open in 1953. he didn't compete in the PGA because it was played at the same time as the British Open.

So is Tiger a great? yes he is, but is he the greatest, we will never know.
 
this is a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' post.

I can respect TW for his talent, but that's as far as it goes.

To go further, you also need charisma and for me it is something TW lacks but equally something that Nicklaus, Player, Norman, Trevino, Seve, Watson (and a bunch of others) had in bucketloads. But I repeat that's 'for me' - others will see such things differently, especially as I don't include Palmer but would include Faldo in that list.

- and no rose tints here - I remember an interview with Player where he admitted that he, Jack and Arnie had been known to trash a hotel room. (Would you see that again - three true greats sharing rooms?)
 
Rubbish !!!

He was further away in 3 than Yang was in 2 !
Even if he HAD holed it, Yang wasnt gonna 3 put from 6'.

Typical Woods, gotta have the last say, regardless of what any other Golfer in the field would have done, which is hole out, and step away for Yang.
 
Rubbish !!!

He was further away in 3 than Yang was in 2 !
Even if he HAD holed it, Yang wasnt gonna 3 put from 6'.

Typical Woods, gotta have the last say, regardless of what any other Golfer in the field would have done, which is hole out, and step away for Yang.
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No thats rubbish!!!

3 Putt from 6 foot stranger things have happend especially under that pressure and on them greens.

Any other golfer with half a brain would have let him putt first what if he had run 3 feet by and then tiger holed that would be one hell of a pressure situation and very missable.

Tiger was in the right you are just clutching at straws trying to find fault with the great man!!!
 
I actually can't believe ChrisMc is still trying to convince people TW isn't a great!

Maybe your other half is one of the 25 he has bedded?! ;)

And as for the USPGA putt out arguement if that is what you would have done in TW's position I would love to play golf against you....you must be a push over to beat.
 
It will be interesting to see if his persona shines through a bit more, once he has beaten Nicklaus's record. Most of the so called greats only really let themselves relax once they were on the slippery slope to retirement. This made them more approachable, and also likeable. In their pomp, most were insufferable egomaniacs.

In his day Trevino must have been a total pain with all his gamesmanship, and yet he is viewed as a gent, and a great.

How many of us on here have moaned in the past saying fist pumping is unacceptable in an opponent, and then site Seve as an example of exemplary behaviour.

My only wish with Woods is that he would smile a little more often, but I guess he isn't in a personality contest, but a golf one, and one at which he is the best around, for the moment.

Anyone with Wood's record is a great, and up there with the greatest ever. Otherwise you are left (for the time being) with Nicklaus (majors), and maybe Sam Snead (total PGA wins 82). Nobody else comes close.

You can't put Faldo (5 majors) in the same category as Woods with 14.
 
Rubbish !!!

He was further away in 3 than Yang was in 2 !
Even if he HAD holed it, Yang wasnt gonna 3 put from 6'.

Typical Woods, gotta have the last say, regardless of what any other Golfer in the field would have done, which is hole out, and step away for Yang.
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Fair play to you for standing your corner but this really does show that you have little appreciation of what the game is about Chris.

It would have been in Tiger's interests to have putted out first and grabbed his par. If TW holed then the noise would have been incredible and only fuelled the nerves that Yang would have been feeling. He's then left with about 12feet right to left down a slick green, whilst all the time his bum was audibly squeeking.

Tiger never putted out because a) It wasn't his turn and b) there was still some life in that tournament.

Just watched the video that you posted in your earlier post Chris, the handshake after they had finished lingered for quite a while. Tiger was obviously offering words of congratulations to a guy who was in unchartered territory for him (and most others). How unsporting of him?!
 
One word YES ,who cares about his personal life that is his business, his golfing ability to grind out results even when not playing his best is amazing.
Not the biggest fan but any one who has the stamina to keep all them women on the go at the same time is a great in my book (bit like myself 20 years ago :)).
Now are we seeing the real Tiger donating nearly $2million to the relief fund or is it a publicity stunt to make his image look a bit better.
In reality the golfing world is a poorer place without him as the rest of the field as miles behind him.
 
Dodger: I cant beleive I read that - are you really a 3 H/C ?

I think there are some of you confusing real 'Match' play with the etiquette of strokeplay, as Woods obviously was that day.

In my opinion, it was nothing to do with 'not wanting to heap pressure' on Yang IF he holed it, but more about rattling him by making him putt 1st.

Again, as clearly a lot of you are not reading my posts, I have no doubts about TW's talent as a golfer, or as one of the best players ever to have swung a Club.
But I still think he's as dislikeable as Schumacher was, and as miserable a player as I have ever seen on a Golf Course.

There are obviously many of you who are far more tolerant of bad habits & attitudes than I am, and who are so in awe of the man that you cannot bring yourself to admit to his considerable failings on the course in many ways, other than hitting the ball.

*shakes head*
 
Again, as clearly a lot of you are not reading my posts, I have no doubts about TW's talent as a golfer, or as one of the best players ever to have swung a Club.
But I still think he's as dislikeable as Schumacher was, and as miserable a player as I have ever seen on a Golf Course.
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What responses are you looking for? You asked if TW would ever be classed as a great - people have responded accordingly.

With regards his persona on the course - what do you want from him? Should he be walking down the fairway cracking jokes? Perhaps wear a fake flower on his shirt and walk up to a fan and ask them to sniff it. When they lean forward he'll press the little pump and squirt them with water! Maybe he could line up the winning putt at this years Masters and let his trousers fall down a la Benny Hill. Oh how the galleries would laugh!

He's a professional golfer - not a clown! I pay good money to watch him play golf, if I want jokes I'll go and see a comedian.

As an aside, I found his speech after the Aussie Masters amusing and he smiled throughout. Mind you, he may have foreseen the storm approaching..... :rolleyes:
 
I think you are confusing the final green of a major golf tournament with your Saturday knock about Chris.

He didn't putt first because <u>IT WASN'T HIS TURN</u> . These are professional golfers not 10 handicap hackers, they know exactly who's turn it was to play and if they were in any doubt then they would have called for a referee to decide (bet you don't do that in your knock about) :p
 
He didn't putt first because <u>IT WASN'T HIS TURN</u> . These are professional golfers not 10 handicap hackers, they know exactly who's turn it was to play and if they were in any doubt then they would have called for a referee to decide (bet you don't do that in your knock about) :p
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Excuse me! I'm off 11 and I'm not a hacker! 12 handicap - they are.....
 
But regardless of how miserable he is, his bad habits, his attitude, and the fact that he is dislikeable, he is still one of (if not the) greatest golfers. All the rest is irrelevent. We are talking golf, nothing else.

If it isn't about golf, and golf only, I nominate my Dad as the greatest golfer ever. Rubbish at golf, but a real nice guy.
 
Dodger: I cant beleive I read that - are you really a 3 H/C ?

I think there are some of you confusing real 'Match' play with the etiquette of strokeplay, as Woods obviously was that day.

In my opinion, it was nothing to do with 'not wanting to heap pressure' on Yang IF he holed it, but more about rattling him by making him putt 1st.

Again, as clearly a lot of you are not reading my posts, I have no doubts about TW's talent as a golfer, or as one of the best players ever to have swung a Club.
But I still think he's as dislikeable as Schumacher was, and as miserable a player as I have ever seen on a Golf Course.

There are obviously many of you who are far more tolerant of bad habits & attitudes than I am, and who are so in awe of the man that you cannot bring yourself to admit to his considerable failings on the course in many ways, other than hitting the ball.

*shakes head*
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I think judging by the replies you are in a severe minority with your opinion but you are entitled to that.

But im entitled to my opinion and what you are saying is utter drivel.

Before you start accusing people of mixing match play and stroke play i would sugest you have a wee peek at the rules and edit your post.

I dont know what on course failings Tiger has but it aint many i agree a player shouldnt spit but he is not the only one to do that he very rarely throws a club i reckon i have seen him do it once at the open last year and it made think about is he that great a player and the only answer i could come up with was yes.

You cant compare Tiger with someone like Schumacher as he is not in the same league as Tiger as far as achivements go! and if suposedly looking miserable on the golf course wins majors well i would try and look miserable as well.

You say you know how good a player he is and are not disputing that but you clearly are :D

Know when you have been proved wrong and get over it :o

P.s great topic for debate :D
 
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