Traditionalists, prepare to be grumpy

I could hit my previous Ping i15 4 iron quite well off the deck, but it had 24 degrees of loft instead of 20 degrees in the TM Speedblades! As the lofts are not stamped on the heads, how was I supposed to know how different they were? I sort of assumed that because I could hit a 4 iron before, I should still be able to, particularly in a club with so many game improvement features!

Again it's your own fault for assuming

It's not hard to check the lofts on each set of clubs
 
I tried them out at a TM demo day and tried a 7-iron and a pitching wedge, both of which I hit pretty nicely, and further than their Ping i15 equivalents. I wasn't given anything else to try, but I had no reason to think that the other clubs wouldn't perform just as well. I wasn't aware at the time of the loft jacking issue!

The issue I have with the 4 iron is that I don't have enough club head speed (I am a senior) to generate sufficient backspin with the reduced loft to hold the ball in the air, so it tends to scuttle along the ground instead of flying properly. I might manage a decent flight 1 time in 4, but it still goes no further than the 5 iron! If I known this at the time I would have just bought 5-GW.

I remember you told this the last time. Strange you didn't think to question how these clubs could possibly be hitting it two clubs extra.

You can't blame the industry because you didn't do your research, engage your brain or get a proper custom fit.
 
I remember you told this the last time. Strange you didn't think to question how these clubs could possibly be hitting it two clubs extra.

You can't blame the industry because you didn't do your research, engage your brain or get a proper custom fit.

When did I say that I hit these TM clubs two clubs further? 10 yards possibly, which is only one club longer, if that. :confused:
 
Have you been checked out by your GP lately, Delc? You seem to be asking and posting the same crap over and over again, early onset Alzheimers perhaps?

Just asking because you do seem to be repeating yourself an awful lot recently.
 
Have you been checked out by your GP lately, Delc? You seem to be asking and posting the same crap over and over again, early onset Alzheimers perhaps?

Just asking because you do seem to be repeating yourself an awful lot recently.

I think people should be made aware of the cheating methods certain club manufacturers use to give the illusion that their clubs hit the ball further!
 
I think people should be made aware of the cheating methods certain club manufacturers use to give the illusion that their clubs hit the ball further!

I think most people who buy golf clubs don't care Delc - and the ones that do care actually do their research before buying.

You have mentioned the jacked lofts etc so many times now and the only one that appears to have a major problem with it is you - after the countless times you have mentioned it or started threads on it - it's all just you. You are the person that made assumptions and now complain it's the manufacturers fault when the blame solely sits with you - no one else but you.

Time to end the nonsense IMO and hopefully you have learned your lesson - don't assume
 
I bought a putter recently. Not only was the loft jacked so much that my putts go 60 foot but the guy used a bigger hole to make me think it was a good putter. Cheating fraudsters!

If you have a 59' putt that's perfect pace! What's your problem mate?? :rofl:
 
I think most people who buy golf clubs don't care Delc - and the ones that do care actually do their research before buying.

You have mentioned the jacked lofts etc so many times now and the only one that appears to have a major problem with it is you - after the countless times you have mentioned it or started threads on it - it's all just you. You are the person that made assumptions and now complain it's the manufacturers fault when the blame solely sits with you - no one else but you.

Time to end the nonsense IMO and hopefully you have learned your lesson - don't assume

You saying lofts are jacked??? Why the hell has no one mentioned this before??

I'm with the old grumpy one now, this is an absolute scandal. In fact I would go as far to say it's a conspiracy of silence, an omerta more than likely perpetrated by the Knights Templar who are secretly running the golf industry and forcing customers to buy golf clubs by claiming a 7 iron has the same loft as a 6 iron did a few years ago. And then keeping that fact secret!!!!

There is no other conclusion other than all the big players in the media such as GM, Crossfield, Shiels and Finch, Tarby are deliberately keeping this from us, and I for one will be writing to my MP and Anne Robinson from Watchdog to demand this scandal is given the publicity it deserves. Before any more poor unsuspecting golfers are forced into buying clubs they do not need, want or even know the loft of.
 
correction, ALL manufacturers have clubs that have stronger lofts.

Not done any research (leave that to the king of the google) but I would agree most, if not all are much stronger than they were. I'm too damn lazy but I wonder how much lofts have changed in the last five years between say the latest GI offering from say Mizuno, Ping, Titleist, TM and Cally with their equivalent model released in 2010/11
 
Top tip folks

Whatever iron you think it is, just subtract 2. So if you think you need a 5, hit 7.

Don't say I'm not good to you :thup:
 
I wish that people would take this issue seriously, before we end with a pitching wedge with a 30 degree loft and a 40" long shaft. A robot could hit such a club a long way, but could a human being? It would be pretty useless for pitch shots! :(
 
I wish that people would take this issue seriously, before we end with a pitching wedge with a 30 degree loft and a 40" long shaft. A robot could hit such a club a long way, but could a human being? It would be pretty useless for pitch shots! :(

People arent taking it seriously because its not a serious issue - surely an obvious intelligent man can see that.
 
Not done any research (leave that to the king of the google) but I would agree most, if not all are much stronger than they were. I'm too damn lazy but I wonder how much lofts have changed in the last five years between say the latest GI offering from say Mizuno, Ping, Titleist, TM and Cally with their equivalent model released in 2010/11
Well every new version set of irons seems take a degree off the loft of each club and add 1/4" to the length of the shaft!
 
correction, ALL manufacturers have clubs that have stronger lofts.
So their marketing departments can claim that their new clubs are the longest ever. Probably true, but will they reduce your scores? Probably not, because they are becoming harder to use! Once upon a time people had a good idea of what a PW or a 7 iron or a 4 iron should be, but this is becoming increasingly distorted.
 
It seems to be only you that finds them harder to use.
The clubs are easier to launch, they fly high - that's why the lofts are lowered, to keep the ball flight from scaring airline pilots
They're not lowering the lofts simply to increase distance at the expense of ease of use.
The whole concept of these clubs is to make it easier for beginners and those who have limited ability to get the ball in the air.
Playing off 12 there's no reason why you couldn't be using something like AP2's which have lofts closer to "traditional" ones.

And, Yes, the Marketing departments are giving out loads of spiel about this and that in an effort to getnyou to part with your cash
But guess what?

You don't have to....
 
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