chrisd
Major Champion
Isn't this just going the same way as the "bigger hole"arguments - I've forgotten how many times this has been dragged up.
Traditionalists, prepare to be grumpy
- Thread starter BubbaP
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So why not call them 3 to PW + SW? People who used to struggle with 3 irons will probably now struggle with modern 5 irons, because they are pretty much the same thing!
bobmac
Major Champion
If I give someone a 3 iron and tell them its a 5, they're more likely to hit it than if I told them it was a 3.
It shouldn't matter to you anyway as you have replaced your 3, 4 and 5 irons with hybrids.
We're just going over the same old stuff so I'm out.
Qwerty
Tour Winner
Ive never understood all the mither over Jacked Lofts, who cares so long as the club is giving a good Trajectory.
If the manufacturers were gaining distance by making the shafts longer..well that's a different matter.
Please tell me they're Not..
If the manufacturers were gaining distance by making the shafts longer..well that's a different matter.
Please tell me they're Not..
I thought I should be able to hit my Taylor Made 4 iron, because I could always hit reasonable 3 irons in the past. But I struggled with it, and then found it had less loft than the 3 iron in a previous set of Titleist irons I had owned! It is not all in the mind. It was Taylor Made that started this loft strengthened thing, and other makers have followed suit so that their irons did not appear to be shorter than TM's!
Qwerty
Tour Winner
What about the Shaft lengths Del? Surely that's the only factor that would make the club harder to hit.
Was the new 4 shorter than the old 3 as it should be?
About the same actually! As well as jacking lofts, manufacturers have made their irons at least half an inch longer per iron number. As I said earlier in this topic, a modern PW has much the same spec as an old time 8-iron, so no wonder it hits the ball much further than a traditional PW!
Tiger man
Challenge Tour Pro
Groundhog Day
seochris
Challenge Tour Pro
I started to play golf in the days of balata, persimmon and no cavity backs so I had to learn how to hit a higher ball flight. Now with all the advances i hit it too high and actually get all my irons de-lofted by 2 degrees.....
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
I'm with those who think it really does not matter. It is getting to the stage where numbers on clubs are as much a marketing tool now.
So to me you can continue living in the 80s and moan that a 5 iron is really a driving iron. Or enjoy the fact that they are making it easier to hit the ball higher and further for the vast majority of golfers and just enjoy it. If you don't like it then don't use those type of clubs but don't fret it others do. Life really is too short.
So to me you can continue living in the 80s and moan that a 5 iron is really a driving iron. Or enjoy the fact that they are making it easier to hit the ball higher and further for the vast majority of golfers and just enjoy it. If you don't like it then don't use those type of clubs but don't fret it others do. Life really is too short.
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
From your posts on this topic it sounds like when you bought your TM's you were done up like a kipper by some smooth talking salesman who's suckered you into buying irons that have too big a distance gap for your game and did/didn't sell you an extra club to fill it
Merciless sales guys will do things like that when they spot a weakness in a customer
On the subject of game improvement irons sending the ball allegedly too high. Yes you can make the ball fly marginally higher by concentrating the mass of the club head in the sole and fitting a fairly flexible low kickpoint shaft. But then GI clubs are designed to help hackers get the ball into the air, which is mostly what they want, so why throw away this advantage by jacking down the lofts? If you are a good strong player, then play traditional blade type irons fitted with stiff, mid or high kickpoint shafts. QED! 
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
They're making it easier and easier to launch the ball..carry is king..
The lofts need to be lower so the ball doesn't fly too high.
OK, they could de-engineer the tech but its there...no point going backwards
It's our fault really.
We demand more distance and easier to launch/higher flying clubs so that's what we get...
Your issue, Del, is that your 7 iron has a slot in the sole and your 8 iron doesn't.
If this slot does anything, and in your case it would appear to, then why isn't there one in the 8,9 or pw...?
Logic dictates that there has to be a bigger gap between 7 and 8 than between 6 and 7
The manufacturers just make the stuff - we're the ones who buy it.
The lofts need to be lower so the ball doesn't fly too high.
OK, they could de-engineer the tech but its there...no point going backwards
It's our fault really.
We demand more distance and easier to launch/higher flying clubs so that's what we get...
Your issue, Del, is that your 7 iron has a slot in the sole and your 8 iron doesn't.
If this slot does anything, and in your case it would appear to, then why isn't there one in the 8,9 or pw...?
Logic dictates that there has to be a bigger gap between 7 and 8 than between 6 and 7
The manufacturers just make the stuff - we're the ones who buy it.
I knew from previous experience with more modem clubs that I would need a gap wedge, so I ordered one with the set. What I didn't expect was that the 4 iron would be impossible to hit off the deck, and not that easy off a tee peg. It has only 20 degrees of loft compared with 23 degrees in my previous set. So more like a traditional 2 iron! I wasted my money on that club!
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seochris
Challenge Tour Pro
I knew from previous experience with more modern clubs that I would need a gap wedge, so I ordered one with the set. Want I didn't expect was that the 4 iron would be impossible to hit off the deck, and not that easy off a tee peg. It has only 20 degrees of loft compared with 23 degrees in my previous set. So more like a traditional 2 iron! I wasted my money on that club!
I cant see how a different loft is going to make a club play easier off the deck or tee peg. Surely its the length of the club and your ability to control its plane that governs that....maybe i'm missing something!
bobmac
Major Champion
I knew from previous experience with more modern clubs that I would need a gap wedge, so I ordered one with the set. Want I didn't expect was that the 4 iron would be impossible to hit off the deck, and not that easy off a tee peg. It has only 20 degrees of loft compared with 23 degrees in my previous set. So more like a traditional 2 iron! I wasted my money on that club!
Sorry to say this Del but its not impossible to hit a 4 iron off the fairway.
If you cant do it it's not the clubs' fault or the manufacturers' fault or the wrong ball or the wrong type of grass, it's your fault.
Enjoy your hybrids, sell your 4 iron and move on.
As for the gap between your 7 and 8 iron.........go down the shaft on the 7 on the par 3
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I knew from previous experience with more modem clubs that I would need a gap wedge, so I ordered one with the set. What I didn't expect was that the 4 iron would be impossible to hit off the deck, and not that easy off a tee peg. It has only 20 degrees of loft compared with 23 degrees in my previous set. So more like a traditional 2 iron! I wasted my money on that club!
It's not the clubs fault you can't hit your 4 iron of the deck
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
I knew from previous experience with more modem clubs that I would need a gap wedge, so I ordered one with the set. What I didn't expect was that the 4 iron would be impossible to hit off the deck, and not that easy off a tee peg. It has only 20 degrees of loft compared with 23 degrees in my previous set. So more like a traditional 2 iron! I wasted my money on that club!
I totally get that there's an obvious frustration in paying for a component of a set you don't have the ability to use (in your case the club with a number 4 stamped on it)
Just not sure how that's any different to the 'good ol' days' when a set included a club with the number 2 or 3 stamped on it and you couldn't hit that one
jamielaing
Q-School Graduate
Can I just point out to everyone that's whining about this that this is probably the most game improver set you can get. I would say looking at it that it is almost hybrids throughout. That is going to cause the ball to fly much higher so lower lofts are required. Also, it's pretty much for beginners. Do you not think that its maybe ok to give a beginner a club that says its a wedge when really its a nine? Let the guy get some confidence!
Those talking about getting sets and finding some clubs are useless to them because the lofts are different- when I spent £600 on a set of irons I researched them as much as I could so I know that every club would be right for me. Probably makes sense when spending a lot of cash.
Those talking about getting sets and finding some clubs are useless to them because the lofts are different- when I spent £600 on a set of irons I researched them as much as I could so I know that every club would be right for me. Probably makes sense when spending a lot of cash.
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
'Like' as they kids say.
