Time limit to attest GP card?

What's the effect of a penalty score?
The EG WHS Guidance document gives the following, I have highlighted the default action that the system applies under 1.

Basically you get an acceptable or qualifying score that counts the same as a competition or GP score as far as “no of scores required” criteria for competitions is concerned, and the effect of the penalty score can adjust your HI in the normal way - unless the Committee can establish that you were deliberately trying to manipulate your handicap in which case they can implement options 2 or 3. Unlikely I think.
Also of note is the guidance that the Committee should make efforts to sort this out within 1 day, but the EG App doesn’t do anything until 4 days have elapsed.
I doubt many Committees go the lengths suggested in this document.

7. Committee Actions

G7.1b Applying a Penalty Score

These are intended for use when the score for a player is not returned (in whatever format of score return the Committee direct). However, the Committee need to determine the reason for non-return as the Penalty Score process is generally aimed at those who deliberately fail to return a score, or for those who persistently refuse to return scores when required.

The Committee should make reasonable efforts to find the score or, if not immediately available, attempt to identify the score of the player by other means (e.g. the marker score on another card).
If the card or score cannot be found, the Committee should determine what, in their view, is the reason for non-return.

Penalty Scores should be considered along the following lines:

1. Non-valid reason (e.g.memory or not realising a score had to be returned in such situations as injury, failing light, dangerous weather etc.)

A score equivalent to the current Handicap Index should be submitted to the WHS Platform (i.e. an Adjusted Gross Score which would be equivalent to the Course Rating + Course Handicap).

2. Possible attempt to keep handicap low

A score equivalent to the Adjusted Gross Score of the highest return in the last 20 scores should be submitted to the WHS
Platform.

3.Possible attempt to build a handicap

A score equivalent to the Adjusted Gross Score of the lowest return in the last 20 scores should be submitted to the WHS Platform.

In all cases, a Penalty Score should be submitted after the day the round is played so that it does not affect the PCC.
When a penalty score has been entered and the score is subsequently found, the original scores should be submitted and the Penalty Score may be retained at the discretion of the Committee.

For persistent failure to return scores or repeated failure to complete rounds, consideration should be given to commencing disciplinary proceedings against the player. These could include the imposition of sanctions against the player, withdrawal of Handicap Index or the
freezing of the Handicap Index for a period of time.
 
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No signiture is an immediate DQ in a comp.
But you get four days according to reports here for a GP card.
So what your saying isn’t happening .
Immediate? The DQ is anything but immediate in most comps at most clubs as cards won't be checked until the following day at the earliest and often not for several days (if at all - some will only check prize winning cards).

And you don't "get 4 days" - that's just the (current) setting of the automated PS process. All scores should be submitted and certified the same day. Some committees follow up these things daily and the PS would be applied the following day.
 
I got a penalty score of 36 over par.
I injured my ankle and walked off ( limped off)
You should have reported the injury as the reason for abandoning the round. Depending on the number of holes you started, either your actual score should have been entered or the score was unacceptable for handicapping and nothing should have been entered.

Instead, you have a high PS that could suggest to others you were found to have been illegitimately trying to maintain a low handicap.
 
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So, at what point do a club, county etc say "Ay up mate, what are you up to?"

If you see what I mean.
Very much depends on the circumstances and the knowledge the committee has of the player. Sometimes just one PS is enough to trigger contact to find out what's going on.

County/regional/national won't usually get involved unless called upon.
 
The EG WHS Guidance document gives the following, I have highlighted the default action that the system applies under 1.

Basically you get an acceptable or qualifying score that counts the same as a competition or GP score as far as “no of scores required” criteria for competitions is concerned, and the effect of the penalty score can adjust your HI in the normal way - unless the Committee can establish that you were deliberately trying to manipulate your handicap in which case they can implement options 2 or 3. Unlikely I think.
Also of note is the guidance that the Committee should make efforts to sort this out within 1 day, but the EG App doesn’t do anything until 4 days have elapsed.
I doubt many Committees go the lengths suggested in this document.

7. Committee Actions

G7.1b Applying a Penalty Score

These are intended for use when the score for a player is not returned (in whatever format of score return the Committee direct). However, the Committee need to determine the reason for non-return as the Penalty Score process is generally aimed at those who deliberately fail to return a score, or for those who persistently refuse to return scores when required.

The Committee should make reasonable efforts to find the score or, if not immediately available, attempt to identify the score of the player by other means (e.g. the marker score on another card).
If the card or score cannot be found, the Committee should determine what, in their view, is the reason for non-return.

Penalty Scores should be considered along the following lines:

1. Non-valid reason (e.g.memory or not realising a score had to be returned in such situations as injury, failing light, dangerous weather etc.)

A score equivalent to the current Handicap Index should be submitted to the WHS Platform (i.e. an Adjusted Gross Score which would be equivalent to the Course Rating + Course Handicap).

2. Possible attempt to keep handicap low

A score equivalent to the Adjusted Gross Score of the highest return in the last 20 scores should be submitted to the WHS
Platform.

3.Possible attempt to build a handicap

A score equivalent to the Adjusted Gross Score of the lowest return in the last 20 scores should be submitted to the WHS Platform.

In all cases, a Penalty Score should be submitted after the day the round is played so that it does not affect the PCC.
When a penalty score has been entered and the score is subsequently found, the original scores should be submitted and the Penalty Score may be retained at the discretion of the Committee.

For persistent failure to return scores or repeated failure to complete rounds, consideration should be given to commencing disciplinary proceedings against the player. These could include the imposition of sanctions against the player, withdrawal of Handicap Index or the
freezing of the Handicap Index for a period of time.
Thank you for sharing. Very interesting. Has it changed recently as when I didn’t submit one card in 2023, the score I was given doesn’t fit into either of these options?

I was playing of 15 and the score given had a diff of 45(!).

While as said above it had zero impact on HI, it did look rather ugly on my recent scores plot for a while. 😂
 
No signiture is an immediate DQ in a comp.
But you get four days according to reports here for a GP card.
So what your saying isn’t happening .
In club competitions, cards have to be signed straight after the round and entered via PSI as that is how we register and sign into the competition before going out, before cards go in the box. If you don't enter into PSI or forget to sign the card good luck as our handicap secretary (she is an Arsenal fan so always alittle bitter) usually comes into the bar and will brandish a red card to the unfortunate soul in front of everyone so all and sundry know someone has been silly and not followed the procedure
 
What is a penalty score?
What does it do to your hcp?

It’s part of your HC record but doubt it would be in your top 8

Put it can push out a very good counting round and your handicap could increase

But of course no one will do that deliberately 😁


Imo any of those rounds should just be removed - same as those that start a card halfway through the round
 
It appeared the penalty flag was automatically added by the my EG app (WHS/EGU) after the deadline for the attester to approve passed. Not sure the club got involved at any stage and were powerless to change it. Similarly we had a gent buggied off the course after 5 holes through ill health. The card was handed in but nothing was entered onto the system and an note added that it exceptional circumstances
 
You should have reported the injury as the reason for abandoning the round. Depending on the number of holes you started, either your actual score should have been entered or the score was unacceptable for handicapping and nothing should have been entered.

Instead, you have a high PS that could suggest to others you were found to have been illegitimately trying to maintain a low handicap.
I did tell them.
But this system relies solely on the volunteers on the comittiee.
Some are good comittiees some are not.

It’s a farce.
 
I did tell them.
But this system relies solely on the volunteers on the comittiee.
Some are good comittiees some are not.

It’s a farce.
There's not good and then there is utterly incompetent.

If your committee can't even manage something this basic and simple, they desperately need guidance from county/new people to do the job.

Edit to add: since this PS does not appear on your handicap record, I assume it was ultimately resolved properly?
 
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Absolute zero .
I got a penalty score of 36 over par.
I injured my ankle and walked off ( limped off)You still have a responsibilty to enter the cardIt basically means you only have 19 Q cards in your handicap list as it was never going to count.

Sounds like you recorded 18 NRs

Acceptability depends on where you walked off. If you played 10 or more holes it will still count, the card still should have been entered with the score for the holes completed recorded, the holes you did not start should have been recorded as Not Started (NS on a PSI screen) Not Attempted (on an app) and the appropriate score would be applied. The reason for walking off annotated on the card. The score will show an asterix in the gross section on you EG record.
 
There's not good and then there is utterly incompetent.

If your committee can't even manage something this basic and simple, they desperately need guidance from county/new people to do the job.

Edit to add: since this PS does not appear on your handicap record, I assume it was ultimately resolved properly?
It was a while ago and it’s moved out of my twenty.
 
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