Tiger's back!

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Be a good chance to set up Tiger bingo - THAT crash, foundation, fusion, Torrey, Earl, foundation, back, 15 majors, St Andrews, foundation etc
 

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Fantastic news. Tiger is box office, watching him brush his teeth is more interesting than falling asleep trying to focus on Cantlay, Berger, English, or a whole load of other top 20 players.

We'll get Minolta swing vision super slo-mo analysis of everything he does.

Time to head to the wardrobe for my red Nike shirts :LOL:
 

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Surprised to hear this after such a relatively short recovery period and the news that he's not looking to play much. He's obviously further along than many suspected.
 

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Its good that he's back but I'm not sure i can cope with the mass losing of minds that is about to happen ....
I started playing around 2003 and never watched golf back then but even I can admire what he did. He brought so much when you watch back. He was visibly the only real athlete in the field. Gary Player doing 100 push-ups a day doesn’t crack it. He was lethal and really dominated the sport as well as pulling off some awesome shots. He also new when to pump the crowd with a celebration.

Frankly, nobody has that mix. They are either you humble morikawas, who I think will be the next big thing, or your whinging hattons. Personality wise Beef Johnson is the fit but he doesn’t have the game. Bryson is something new in his approach but that will die down as he’s not winning enough. We’ve already seen Mcilroy dial back from chasing his distance.

as someone who now watches golf, I’d love to see someone come through like tiger did. He didn’t win everything but he was always top 10 in the main and I think that is perfect for the sport.
 

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Personally, I am not bothered if Tiger comes back or not. His career at the highest level is over, entirely due to his own recklessness and disregard for the safety of others.

To me, he is the second best ever, still behind Nicklaus, and he has clearly enriched many PGA Tour players, although I do not really care about that. I admire his achievements and ability, but have never really liked him. Nicklaus was not liked when he came out on Tour first, as the usurper of crowd favourite Palmer, but he changed his look and his image and become well liked and popular, and he also built a strong family image, missing events for his kids football games and staying with his wife.

Woods had a much more cynical attitude and ungenerous approach to the game. His off course actions wouldn't matter so much if the brand image created by Nike hadn't been built on a laughable (and false) facade of American values and family. I also don't remember Nicklaus being in too many 85mph car accidents on canyon roads.
 
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he changed his look and his image and become well liked and popular, and he also built a strong family image, missing events for his kids football games and staying with his wife.

What's this got to do with golf?

Personally I couldn't care less. Doesn't bother me that Tiger was a serial shagger, golf is entertainment and Tiger is box office. He is easily the most popular golfer in the history of the game.
 

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What's this got to do with golf?

Personally I couldn't care less. Doesn't bother me that Tiger was a serial shagger, golf is entertainment and Tiger is box office. He is easily the most popular golfer in the history of the game.

Because fans like or dislike players based on more than their golf. Same in other sports. Tiger's brand makers took it to a new level and it proved to be lies, so some people who liked him partly because of the cute family story changed their opinion.

You are free not to give a damn if you want.
 

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Personally, I am not bothered if Tiger comes back or not. His career at the highest level is over, entirely due to his own recklessness and disregard for the safety of others.

To me, he is the second best ever, still behind Nicklaus, and he has clearly enriched many PGA Tour players, although I do not really care about that. I admire his achievements and ability, but have never really liked him. Nicklaus was not liked when he came out on Tour first, as the usurper of crowd favourite Palmer, but he changed his look and his image and become well liked and popular, and he also built a strong family image, missing events for his kids football games and staying with his wife.

Woods had a much more cynical attitude and ungenerous approach to the game. His off course actions wouldn't matter so much if the brand image created by Nike hadn't been built on a laughable (and false) facade of American values and family. I also don't remember Nicklaus being in too many 85mph car accidents on canyon roads.

Maybe jack just didn't crash.....
 

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Personally, I am not bothered if Tiger comes back or not. His career at the highest level is over, entirely due to his own recklessness and disregard for the safety of others.

To me, he is the second best ever, still behind Nicklaus, and he has clearly enriched many PGA Tour players, although I do not really care about that. I admire his achievements and ability, but have never really liked him. Nicklaus was not liked when he came out on Tour first, as the usurper of crowd favourite Palmer, but he changed his look and his image and become well liked and popular, and he also built a strong family image, missing events for his kids football games and staying with his wife.

Woods had a much more cynical attitude and ungenerous approach to the game. His off course actions wouldn't matter so much if the brand image created by Nike hadn't been built on a laughable (and false) facade of American values and family. I also don't remember Nicklaus being in too many 85mph car accidents on canyon roads.

Did Nike really create a brand image around Tiger of family values? When I think of Nike x Tiger, I think of an athlete and a winner. The fact he was young, black and athletic has always been the key differentiator in the world of golf. Isn't that the image they focused on? On the golf course he's always showed good sportsmanship. Ironically I think if he had cheated at golf it would have been bigger than cheating on his wife.

Off course, Tiger has done more for the community through the Tiger Woods foundation than any other golfer in history. He's not personally running the foundation, but it exists because of him. An amazing achievement, but that doesn't suit your narrative.
 

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Did Nike really create a brand image around Tiger of family values? When I think of Nike x Tiger, I think of an athlete and a winner. The fact he was young, black and athletic has always been the key differentiator in the world of golf. Isn't that the image they focused on? On the golf course he's always showed good sportsmanship. Ironically I think if he had cheated at golf it would have been bigger than cheating on his wife.

Off course, Tiger has done more for the community through the Tiger Woods foundation than any other golfer in history. He's not personally running the foundation, but it exists because of him. An amazing achievement, but that doesn't suit your narrative.

I think you missed much of the branding used, maybe more in the US, or maybe you were just suckered in. Lots of family values, lessons handed down etc., The voice from beyond the grave after Earl died was a particular low light.

As for the Foundation, a lot of that is to do with tax breaks, and a bit with brand management. Tiger is famously stingy in his private life.
 

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I think you missed much of the branding used, maybe more in the US, or maybe you were just suckered in. Lots of family values, lessons handed down etc., The voice from beyond the grave after Earl died was a particular low light.

As for the Foundation, a lot of that is to do with tax breaks, and a bit with brand management. Tiger is famously stingy in his private life.

I must have missed all the family values stuff. Maybe it was more US focused, or maybe it's an age thing (Tiger is older than me) and I just wasn't paying attention to the stuff aimed at families.

I remember going into Niketown in Oxford Circus and seeing black teenagers browsing the golf equipment... Tiger is the only reason they were there and no other golfer has ever had that wide appeal.

I'm sure the foundation has done a lot for Tiger's brand, but after 25 years of helping thousands of children, to say it's all about tax breaks is rather mean spirited and disingenuous.
 

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I must have missed all the family values stuff. Maybe it was more US focused, or maybe it's an age thing (Tiger is older than me) and I just wasn't paying attention to the stuff aimed at families.

I remember going into Niketown in Oxford Circus and seeing black teenagers browsing the golf equipment... Tiger is the only reason they were there and no other golfer has ever had that wide appeal.

I'm sure the foundation has done a lot for Tiger's brand, but after 25 years of helping thousands of children, to say it's all about tax breaks is rather mean spirited and disingenuous.

It is not mean-spirited, it is sadly true. Charitable foundations are mostly a tax wheeze. They may well help people, but they help the donor too. Golfers don't like paying tax. That is why so many live in Florida, low state taxes.

In about 2007, I was in Orlando and played at Grand Cypress. I happened to be paired with a golf journalist and he spotted a bag tag I had for the same place in Barbados Tiger got married. He asked me if I had heard about the wedding, and I said I had seen the Tiger corner in the pro shop of the course. So he went on tell me that after some will they, won't they, the wedding was announced after Elin found Tiger's other cellphone with his women friends numbers on it, and she gave him an ultimatum which included no playing away and getting the wedding done. So they got married, but she went in with her eyes open. It was a hereditary problem, apparently, Earl liked a fling or three too. The journo went on to tell me that it was open knowledge that his agent had crafted a career plan for Tiger. The idea was to beat Nicklaus's major haul (which he probably would have done had he not got inured next season), beat Snead's PGA Tour title record, (which he did anyway), move to semi-retirement in his 40s, increase his public image outside golf with his Foundation and his cute mixed race family, then run for political office, possibly Gov of California (Schwarzenegger was Gov then) or even POTUS.

The Foundation stuff was a key part of that. Obviously that plan blew up a bit, though.
 
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So when is he actually back playing ? And is that a full return
 
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