Tiger to be DQ'd?

[Piece]

How many players over the years have called a penalty on themselves ?
They had honesty, courtesy and integrity, and upheld the rules of golf.

Would be nice to see players giving themselves a shot penalty for slow play... But that will never happen.

 

[Sweep]

Are you suggesting that any player from Tiger in the Masters to me in a club tournament should withdraw because he makes a mistake and breaches a rule?

Yes

 

[freddielong]

I fail to see how this is Tigers fault it is not Tigers responsibility to DQ himself the USPGA IMO have bowed to the Masters commitee and that is the problem

 

[birdieman]

This is called integrity and respect for the game - Tiger, have a read!

1996 Bay Hill Invitational

After the second round Jeff Sluman was only two back of the leaders, but he became concerned the night after the round when he thought he may have taken an incorrect drop after hitting into a water hazard. The next morning Sluman returned to the scene and confirmed that the drop area which he used was closer to the hole and that his drop was incorrect. He then disqualified himself from the tournament.

1990 Palm Meadows Cup

Going into the third round, it was appeared that a classic battle was about to unfold, as Greg Norman had a one-shot lead over Curtis Strange. However, on the driving range he found out that on the first day he had taken an illegal drop from a water hazard. When told of the problem Norman disqualified himself, thus losing a chance at the first-place check of $160,000.


There are plenty other examples of honest pros DQ'ing themselves.:thup:

 

[shivas irons]

This is called integrity and respect for the game - Tiger, have a read!

1996 Bay Hill Invitational

After the second round Jeff Sluman was only two back of the leaders, but he became concerned the night after the round when he thought he may have taken an incorrect drop after hitting into a water hazard. The next morning Sluman returned to the scene and confirmed that the drop area which he used was closer to the hole and that his drop was incorrect. He then disqualified himself from the tournament.

1990 Palm Meadows Cup

Going into the third round, it was appeared that a classic battle was about to unfold, as Greg Norman had a one-shot lead over Curtis Strange. However, on the driving range he found out that on the first day he had taken an illegal drop from a water hazard. When told of the problem Norman disqualified himself, thus losing a chance at the first-place check of $160,000.


There are plenty other examples of honest pros DQ'ing themselves.:thup:

How the worlds changed.....

 

[Scouser]

This is called integrity and respect for the game - Tiger, have a read!

1996 Bay Hill Invitational

After the second round Jeff Sluman was only two back of the leaders, but he became concerned the night after the round when he thought he may have taken an incorrect drop after hitting into a water hazard. The next morning Sluman returned to the scene and confirmed that the drop area which he used was closer to the hole and that his drop was incorrect. He then disqualified himself from the tournament.

1990 Palm Meadows Cup

Going into the third round, it was appeared that a classic battle was about to unfold, as Greg Norman had a one-shot lead over Curtis Strange. However, on the driving range he found out that on the first day he had taken an illegal drop from a water hazard. When told of the problem Norman disqualified himself, thus losing a chance at the first-place check of $160,000.


There are plenty other examples of honest pros DQ'ing themselves.:thup:

At the time was dq the option for such a mistake? Or could penalty shots have been added.... There have been many threads on here about playing with in the rules and using any option... . .

Is the two shot penalty within the rules and an option tiger could take? Apparently so so what's the problem?

 

[Fader]

How the worlds changed.....

Has it? Wasn't long ago Brian Davis DQ'd himself when he had a chance to win at Hilton Head.

Just seems people on here want to continually dig Woods out because he accepted a decision made by the rules committee instead of saying you know why even though I'm allowed to play as I've been penalised according to the rules, I think I'll walk away so a bunch of overacting golf fans can't get off their high horses.


Lot of soap boxes being used about this when 90% of the people on here were saying what a great recovery he made and never noticed the infringement. What about the fact the rules officials and all of us fans that had no idea he'd done wrong until he was honest in an interview, honesty which lead to this situation but its ok we'll casually forget that and question his integrity instead!

Great bit of double standards.

 

[Tiger]

I don't think Tiger tried to influence the decision, but the fact it was Tiger was an influence on the decision but let's forget Tiger for a moment (difficult I know). What worries me most about the precedent that has been set here is that previously the USGA has said that ignorance of the rules is no excuse. This case flies in the face of that so essentially the potential precedent is that not knowing the rules is ok.

I blame the committee.

1. I'll accept the fact they had a call and the committee reviewed the footage (which foreshortened the image) and thought 'that's close enough' because they didn't want to dock Tiger two shots.
2. They then didn't discuss it with Tiger and he signed his card
3. Tiger fesses up to deliberately dropping a couple of yards back to gain an advantage. I think this was an honest mistake as in the heat of the moment he made an error of judgement
4. The committee now have a problem as it was partly their fault for not discussing with Tiger before he signed his card
5. The bottle the correct decision in the circumstances which is DQ

What happens next is the big thing. I think the rule regarding disqualification needs adjusting to prevent further misuse. Tiger is a lucky man but I hope for his sake he doesn't win The Masters. He had a great opportunity to rebuild his image as he knows as well as the rest of us that this whole thing stinks. A sad day for golf but the real villain of this piece is the Augusta rules committee

 

[bobmac]

What about the fact the rules officials and all of us fans that had no idea he'd done wrong until he was honest in an interview, honesty which lead to this situation but its ok we'll casually forget that and question his integrity instead!

Do you think he would have mentioned his drop if he had known it was against the rules?

 

[Fader]

Do you think he would have mentioned his drop if he had known it was against the rules?

Do you think he'd have taken the drop as he did if he had known the ruling exactly word for word like everyone is quoting on here.

It's easy to speculate and question his honesty from the comfort of a keyboard!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

We also don't know that no-one else has made an incorrect drop this week, because we haven't seen it on TV.

Except you didn't need to use TV to have it confirmed that he had boobed.

 

[stevie_r]

Has it? Wasn't long ago Brian Davis DQ'd himself when he had a chance to win at Hilton Head.

Just seems people on here want to continually dig Woods out because he accepted a decision made by the rules committee instead of saying you know why even though I'm allowed to play as I've been penalised according to the rules, I think I'll walk away so a bunch of overacting golf fans can't get off their high horses.


Lot of soap boxes being used about this when 90% of the people on here were saying what a great recovery he made and never noticed the infringement. What about the fact the rules officials and all of us fans that had no idea he'd done wrong until he was honest in an interview, honesty which lead to this situation but its ok we'll casually forget that and question his integrity instead!

Great bit of double standards.

Care to explain how it is an example of double standards?
The fact that a lot of people didn't notice his error doesn't exonerate him. It's not about high horses, it's about a sport which pretty much self referees with guidance from officials if you are unclear on a particular rule.

I fail to believe that a man that has played the game for so long can't correctly apply one of the most widely used rules in the game.

 

[birdieman]

If you don't understand why there is worldwide criticism of Woods for not DQ'ing himself you don't understand golf. It's a sport where there is no referee watching, you referee yourself and you are entrusted to play fair and not cheat. A cheat tag at golf sticks with you for life and makes you a pariah at any golf club. It is never forgotten by other members.
Even if, in this case, the committee can be blamed for giving him a way out Tiger should have the moral fibre to handle this himself in the correct manner, walk away and his reputation would have been greatly enhanced by taking it on the chin.
Incidentally I am a Tiger fan and enjoy watching him as much as anyone, not a hater. It is nothing personal, people like me want the spirit of the game to be upheld.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I fail to believe that a man that has played the game for so long can't correctly apply one of the most widely used rules in the game.

And then go on television and tell the world about it.

 

[alisoncc]

It was pretty obvious where his divot was, and where he should have been dropping his ball if choosing to play from his previous position. Just look at any of the photos or videos of the incident. The fact that his ball hit the flagstick and rebounded back into the water hazard had all the media's attention.

I was recording the game off-air, and if I had the time now would be happy to grab a still and post it here. TW's first divot is easily visible some distance from where he dropped. It's more than two club lengths for starters.

 

[Fader]

My previous post explains the double standards quite clearly! Honest in his intervied about the drop, it was only after that honesty did anyone notice the infringement which has led to eveyone questioning his integrity simples!

As for not understanding why? I never said I didn't understand! I said I don't agree, he accepted a decision by ruling body and has moved on as we all should. But your all clearly better men than me or just more judgemental.

 

[Ethan]

Has it? Wasn't long ago Brian Davis DQ'd himself when he had a chance to win at Hilton Head.

No, he called a penalty on himself in the playoff. Still finished second. The same discretion, under Rule 33-7 was not available to the Committee at Hilton Head because the penalty for Davis was not DQ.

The ruling on Tiger is legit, but clearly has been done using discretion on the part of the Committee which they could have chosen not to exercise. If they would have exercised the same discretion to other players then it is all right. If not, then it is clearly double standards but we will never really know.

 

[tsped83]

How is there so much bitterness towards Tiger on this thread?? The committee made a ruling, move on, GET OVER IT!!!

There is a tournament going on with some good golf being played or has everyone lost sight of that in through their ranting about a decision over one shot by one player. If this was anyone else it wouldn't be so much of a big deal. Tiger bashing season for you Daily Mail readers.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

The committee made a mistake - they deemed Tiger had not gained a significant advantage - Tiger has said that he did.The player referees himself.

In medal yesterday while taking a couple of practice swings for a putt about to make the ball moved about a centimetre down the slight slope it was on - my playing companions would not have seen this happen. I had not addressed the ball and had not touched the ground close to the ball (as I was aware that doing so might cause it to move) . I was about to call a penalty on myself but realised that I had not done anything to make the ball move and had not addressed it - so I had nothing that broke a rule. So I didn't call a penalty or consult. If I had called a shot on myself would I have been right or wrong to do so? If I had called a penalty and signed for it and then discovered I needn't have done so - then tough on me. If you tell me I should have called a penalty then I will have signed for an incorrect score and will fess up. The secretary then makes a decision on behalf of 'the committee' and will accept what I said I did.

 

[Ethan]

How is there so much bitterness towards Tiger on this thread?? The committee made a ruling, move on, GET OVER IT!!!

There is a tournament going on with some good golf being played or has everyone lost sight of that in through their ranting about a decision over one shot by one player. If this was anyone else it wouldn't be so much of a big deal. Tiger bashing season for you Daily Mail readers.

Do you need to have a lie down somewhere quiet?

If you find this thread annoying there is an obvious remedy.