Tiger in another car crash

[PaulMdj]

A lot I agree with and a lot I disagree with there.

I wrote a long response but I think it just dilutes the thread. All I’ll say is yes he moves the needle, the tour have been to soft for to long and allowed him to much power and leeway.

We want kids to emulate sporting heroes on the field of play to a large extent it’s how they learn. But off the field it’s our responsibility to ground them and teach them right from wrong. So they should be taught how to behave differently off the pitch and about consequences of actions. The 2 have similarities but ultimately are very different in how they’re handled, policed and the repercussions of decisions.

I totally agree with parental responsibility, but there’s a line whete parents no longer have that control and, imo, society should step in.

Prisons are full of people whose parents did a good job.

 

[PaulMdj]

I think it’s not just kids that put him on a pedestal. Even in recent years when he’s played he’s had way more coverage than his position in the field has merited. Adults made the decision on that.

Short version; a flawed genius. And just like a number of other flawed geniuses he needs professional help - in fact he’s had that but still makes the same mistakes, ergo an addict.

Spot on, and while people continue to seperate their behaviour, very little will change.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

You can’t seperate them, actions in a chosen profession should not excuse behaviour away from that, there should be consequences.

Otherwise you are telling kids, don’t copy me on the sporting arena as it’s bad, but hey, do what you want off the field if you’re above a certain level.

The USPGA should come out and say enough is enough, we don’t want you anywhere near our Golf Courses or take him out the Hall of Fame, just like football Clubs should get rid of players when they step out of line away from the Club, actiins need consequences.

People can seperate them and many have done in the past - the sporting world is filled with people lauded for their achievements on the pitch regardless of what happens off the sporting arena

And let’s be clear no one is excusing any “illegal” behaviour outside the sporting arena

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I think it’s not just kids that put him on a pedestal. Even in recent years when he’s played he’s had way more coverage than his position in the field has merited. Adults made the decision on that.

Short version; a flawed genius. And just like a number of other flawed geniuses he needs professional help - in fact he’s had that but still makes the same mistakes, ergo an addict.

And that’s where it comes back to him still being the biggest name in the sport despite him not actually playing for 3 years is it

 

[PaulMdj]

People can seperate them and many have done in the past - the sporting world is filled with people lauded for their achievements on the pitch regardless of what happens off the sporting arena

And let’s be clear no one is excusing any “illegal” behaviour outside the sporting arena

Some are also not seeing that this behaviour was ongoing while people cheered their achievments!

Were’s the line? What offence, illegal behaviour matters?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Some are also not seeing that this behaviour was ongoing while people cheered their achievments!

Were’s the line? What offence, illegal behaviour matters?

People will cheer their sporting achievements- because they will be ok to seperate what he does on the course

surely the line is what’s legal or not

If he wants to have an affair with loads of females etc that’s his choice and nothing illegal about that

 

[clubchamp98]

My overall take on it is that if the attitude from the PGA Tour Hierarchy, media and fans is to turn a blind eye to it because he was an incredible golfer ultimately enables the situation to happen again.
And events in the past decade bear that out, he gets away with it and he does it again.

Being held accountable with some kind of public punishment could be the trigger for Tiger to finally get help before he injures himself again or worse someone else the next time.

I agree .
He’s a great golfer and deserves respect in the game.

But once he get into a car he’s just like you and me
He’s a danger to the public and needs to be punished the same as you and me.
He’s been very lucky the only one he’s hurt is himself.

I think in Florida you or me would be in jail by now.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

And that’s where it comes back to him still being the biggest name in the sport despite him not actually playing for 3 years is it

I'm not sure what your point is there. You keep repeating this, but why?

 

[Slab]

Not really been active on forum over the weekend. I gather Tiger needs a new driver?



I’d very much prefer he didn’t have all these off-course incidents but the reality is his personal life impacts me way way less than the times I’ve watched him on the box, so the entertainment/enjoyment I got from his 2019 Masters win for example means those memories cant be retrospectively overwritten (same with that cycling bloke Lance Armstrong, what came out years later on hasn’t replaced the live memories of watching him 'win' the TDF)

I wish they were better ppl but not much I can do/say will change them

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I'm not sure what your point is there. You keep repeating this, but why?

It’s shows maybe the state of golf on the tour when someone who hasn’t played for a number of years is still the person who “moves” the needle , still the person everyone focuses on the minute something happens - he is still the main person

Not great for the sport overall imo

 

[Lord Tyrion]

It’s shows maybe the state of golf on the tour when someone who hasn’t played for a number of years is still the person who “moves” the needle , still the person everyone focuses on the minute something happens - he is still the main person

Not great for the sport overall imo

He is being focused on for all the wrong reasons though, nothing to do with golf. Scottie getting arrested (unfairly in reality) got plenty of air time, Rory so far has utterly failed to disgrace himself (he needs to work on that) but I'm sure would generate interest if he totalled a car whilst off his nut.

He moves the needle, but in disgrace so I'm not sure it scores many points for him. Disgraced sportsmen often do generate interest, it is the way of things, especially in the era of 24hr news/sports channels.

 

[Voyager EMH]

Prisons are full of people whose parents did a good job.

I would like to hear more about your personal experience or the results of a survey.

 

[Fore Right]

It’s shows maybe the state of golf on the tour when someone who hasn’t played for a number of years is still the person who “moves” the needle , still the person everyone focuses on the minute something happens - he is still the main person

Not great for the sport overall imo

He has been moving the needle in the wrong way for a while now.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

I'm not sure what your point is there. You keep repeating this, but why?

Perhaps it’s like how I felt when Armstrong was proved to be cheating. His morals completely shown to be crap. I didn’t want to believe someone who had been given a 5% chance of living would resort to such things, but here was the proof. His legacy was destroyed, he was something I now dispised as a cheat, someone who thought the rules wouldn’t apply to him.
Woods is now in that class of maybe brilliant sports persons, but devoid of morals and respect for everyone else, like Armstrong, Johnson and many more. When kids look up to sports stars, they want the whole package, not just the ability, but the wins, the money, lifestyle and trappings. The 2 are not separable.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

He is being focused on for all the wrong reasons though, nothing to do with golf. Scottie getting arrested (unfairly in reality) got plenty of air time, Rory so far has utterly failed to disgrace himself (he needs to work on that) but I'm sure would generate interest if he totalled a car whilst off his nut.

He moves the needle, but in disgrace so I'm not sure it scores many points for him. Disgraced sportsmen often do generate interest, it is the way of things, especially in the era of 24hr news/sports channels.

It certainly doesn’t score any points for him at all

But I don’t think anyone else in the sport would get the same level of “pages”

He is still the story unfortunately

We all see the huge boost in numbers whenever he appears

 

[PaulMdj]

People will cheer their sporting achievements- because they will be ok to seperate what he does on the course

surely the line is what’s legal or not

If he wants to have an affair with loads of females etc that’s his choice and nothing illegal about that

Then I’d suggest those people, just like him, have the morals of an alley cat.

 

[PaulMdj]

I would like to hear more about your personal experience or the results of a survey.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Perhaps it’s like how I felt when Armstrong was proved to be cheating. His morals completely shown to be crap. I didn’t want to believe someone who had been given a 5% chance of living would resort to such things, but here was the proof. His legacy was destroyed, he was something I now dispised as a cheat, someone who thought the rules wouldn’t apply to him.
Woods is now in that class of maybe brilliant sports persons, but devoid of morals and respect for everyone else, like Armstrong, Johnson and many more. When kids look up to sports stars, they want the whole package, not just the ability, but the wins, the money, lifestyle and trappings. The 2 are not separable.

For me there is a difference between the likes of Armstrong , Johnson and then people like Woods

The first bunch cheated in the sport to win ,

Whilst Woods personal choices for what he does outside the sport will be judged , whilst he has played there hasn’t been anything to suggest he has cheated -

So as a sportsman playing the sport his integrity has always been there

As a person away from the sport - that’s a different matter

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Then I’d suggest those people, just like him, have the morals of an alley cat.

So someone who cheers on Woods when he is playing a game of golf has questionable morals ?

 

[PaulMdj]

So someone who cheers on Woods when he is playing a game of golf has questionable morals ?

Yes, absolutely 100%, sporting talent does not give him a free pass imo.