The world's gone mad!

[User20205]

Those were 'offensive' stereotypes! Quite different to sincere copies which are not (offensive stereotype) 'blacking up' imo.



What has persecution got to do with it - that Racism hasn't! You can't erase the past, nor can/should you ignore it!

Read Shakespeare or Dickens, any Leon Uris historical novel - Exodus and Trinity for example! And it would be somewhat sexist to not mention the books of Dame Catherine Cookson! Plenty of stereotypical persecution in there!

I don't care that much, I wouldn't dream of wearing a potentially offensive fancy dress outfit, if you would fill you boots.

You shouldn't ignore the past, nor should you perpetuate the apologist attitudes.

Would you wear a nazi uniform ala prince Harry??? It's only a laugh.

 

[User20205]

I am interested to know which of these statements you find racist and whether you feel any of them should be banned by law?

I dont like black people.
I dont like white people.
I dont like people from from the Caribbean.
I dont like French people.
I dont like Japanese people.
I dont like Asian people.
I dont like English people.
I dont like African people.
I dont like Jocks or Taffs.
I prefer the company of white people.
I dislike Muslims.
There are too many non-whites in the country.

All of them are equally bigoted, and I never dream of saying them

 

[SocketRocket]

All of them are equally bigoted, and I never dream of saying them

That wasn't the question!

 

[Tashyboy]

I was in the 19th the other day and asked one of the girls who is leaving to send us some piccies of her fat, thin, beautiful and ugly new mates, one of the other girls said "what do you mean fat friends". I won't mention her weight. Now living in a country where obesity is a bit of a problem, is saying someone's fat so wrong.

i tried explaining that I have fat, thin, gorgeous and like me butt ugly mates, some are white, black, mixed race etc etc. but the one thing they all have in common is they are all beautiful on the inside. Don't think it washed with her though coz I said the F word.

 

[User20205]

That wasn't the question!

There's no need to ban any of them. They are just opinion, it's behaviour that reflects the bigotry that against the law.

This is off topic, I don't know why you're using a post about a poor taste fancy dress outfit to demonstrate your persecution complex.

 

[SocketRocket]

There's no need to ban any of them. They are just opinion, it's behaviour that reflects the bigotry that against the law.

This is off topic, I don't know why you're using a post about a poor taste fancy dress outfit to demonstrate your persecution complex.

I was genuinely trying to understand what people found to be racist and offensive and where the law should intervene. I believe there is a link there.

Regarding your last comment; I will put that down to your own persecution complex!

 

[User20205]

I was genuinely trying to understand what people found to be racist and offensive and where the law should intervene. I believe there is a link there.

Regarding your last comment; I will put that down to your own persecution complex!

Cheers:thup:

 

[Slime]

I don't care that much, I wouldn't dream of wearing a potentially offensive fancy dress outfit, if you would fill you boots.

You shouldn't ignore the past, nor should you perpetuate the apologist attitudes.

Would you wear a nazi uniform ala prince Harry??? It's only a laugh.

Any fancy dress costume is potentially offensive to someone ....................... they'll make sure of that!
The nazis killed millions of Jews, Whoopi Goldberg hasn't, subtle difference there!

I am interested to know which of these statements you find racist and whether you feel any of them should be banned by law?

I dont like black people.
I dont like white people.
I dont like people from from the Caribbean.
I dont like French people.
I dont like Japanese people.
I dont like Asian people.
I dont like English people.
I dont like African people.
I dont like Jocks or Taffs.
I prefer the company of white people.
I dislike Muslims.
There are too many non-whites in the country.

I find none of the above offensive but some may find the one in bold a bit rude, due to the use of slang.

All of them are equally bigoted, and I never dream of saying them

They would be bigoted if, for instance, he'd said he didn't like black people because they were black, and he'd come across as pretty stupid too!


Slime.

 

[User20205]

Any fancy dress costume is potentially offensive to someone ....................... they'll make sure of that!
The nazis killed millions of Jews, Whoopi Goldberg hasn't, subtle difference there!






Slime.

I don't know why, but that made me chuckle. I've got an image of whoopi Goldberg planning genocide. It could happen!!

 

[Foxholer]

Would you wear a nazi uniform ala prince Harry??? It's only a laugh.

Visited Bletchley Park a while ago. There was a wedding where the Dress code was WWII Theme. Plenty of SS stuff on display there, along with a few Hitlers and a couple of Churchills!

Nobody was offended!

 

[User20205]

Visited Bletchley Park a while ago. There was a wedding where the Dress code was WWII Theme. Plenty of SS stuff on display there, along with a few Hitlers and a couple of Churchills!

Nobody was offended!

That's kind of where I was going with it. I don't find the blacking up offensive, but I understand why it could be. I don't really find fancy dress nazi style offensive, but again understand why it could be. Which means in the event of a fancy dress shindig I'd go as something neutral, like maybe the prophet mohammed...surely no one would be offended by that

 

[CMAC]

If you don't get it fine. It's not the act it's the association, blacking up is all about historic racial stereotyping. The black and white minstrels are stereotypes, golliwogs are stereotypes. To my knowledge there aren't the same white stereotypes with the same negative historical association or history of persecution.

Blacking up is an echo of that historical racial persecution, it's just really socially clumsy.

HK has a point, most of us aren't the demographic to be offended but why take the chance?

How else would you imitate Whoopi Goldberg?



Myself and 4 friends dressed as the Jackson Five once for a 10 year celebration- we looked the dogs even though I say it myself- how could we imitate these legends without being accurate?

 

[richart]

Presumably a white person can no longer impersonate a black one, and vice versa ? I didn't think it was a caricature, but just an impersonation. Surely a caricature is something grotesque, ludicrous, exaggeration etc.

 

[User20205]

Presumably a white person can no longer impersonate a black one, and vice versa ? I didn't think it was a caricature, but just an impersonation. Surely a caricature is something grotesque, ludicrous, exaggeration etc.

It is just that, and if you think that it starts and ends with a impersonation of whoopi Goldberg that's fine, to me it potentially lends itself to something more.

Why has she had to come out and apologised if it's innocent?

You or I may not be offended, but someone will be and I can understand why.

 

[User20205]

How else would you imitate Whoopi Goldberg?



Myself and 4 friends dressed as the Jackson Five once for a 10 year celebration- we looked the dogs even though I say it myself- how could we imitate these legends without being accurate?

Subjective, and potentially poor taste. I wouldn't but if you felt comfortable...fair enough.

 

[richart]

It is just that, and if you think that it starts and ends with a impersonation of whoopi Goldberg that's fine, to me it potentially lends itself to something more.

Why has she had to come out and apologised if it's innocent?

You or I may not be offended, but someone will be and I can understand why.

Sorry you have lost me. It is an impersonation of a character from a film. The reason she apologised is surely to stop the arguments back and forth, which will create bad publicity. This does not mean she is in the wrong though, and pressure has no doubt been applied. Personally I think this political correctness should have stopped here, as this is not a racist act. If people want to think it is, that says more about them in my opinion.

 

[chrisd]

Why has she had to come out and apologised if it's innocent?

Possibly because it's easier to apologise than say " if you want to put a racist connotation to an innocent bit of fun, then it's you who have a problem" !

 

[Slime]

It is just that, and if you think that it starts and ends with a impersonation of whoopi Goldberg that's fine, to me it potentially lends itself to something more.

Why has she had to come out and apologised if it's innocent?

You or I may not be offended, but someone will be and I can understand why.

I can't, unless they have their own agenda, so please enlighten me.
Oh, and she apologised because she was undoubtedly told to.

Subjective, and potentially poor taste. I wouldn't but if you felt comfortable...fair enough.

Why?
I'm sorry, but I just don't understand why imitating The Jackson Five, as a celebration of their work, is in poor taste.
They weren't making fun of them, they were celebrating them! What's wrong with that?

Slime.

 

[User20205]

Sorry you have lost me. It is an impersonation of a character from a film. The reason she apologised is surely to stop the arguments back and forth, which will create bad publicity. This does not mean she is in the wrong though, and pressure has no doubt been applied. Personally I think this political correctness should have stopped here, as this is not a racist act. If people want to think it is, that says more about them in my opinion.

Maybe, but you or I aren't really qualified to judge if the act of blacking up is offensive or not. It's not just about whoopi, it's about how that can be interpreted.

No one is saying that blacking up is in itself racist, but it's historically been associated with a negative portrayal of race and is on slightly dodgy ground IMO.

 

[richart]

Possibly because it's easier to apologise than say " if you want to put a racist connotation to an innocent bit of fun, then it's you who have a problem" !

I must be getting old, I am agreeing with Chris.