The Words of Wisdom of Boris Johnson - Foreign Secretary

[Hobbit]

Typical left-wing anti-Brexit BBC bias.

BTW - I also listened to Dame Margaret Beckett's speech around 9pm - boy was she authoritative and on the money. Calm, clear, logical and lucid - everything that Johnson wasn't.

I thought Beckett was excellent. A true states person. Had my first long taste of James O’Brien this morning, stuck in a cab in central London. What an arrogant, condescending a-hole. His I told you so attitude of what would happen in Parliament yesterday was incredible. How did he know that yesterday was even going to happen 2 years ago?

Some of his early piece was good but as he warmed up...Farage in Remain clothing. Appalling.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I thought Beckett was excellent. A true states person. Had my first long taste of James O’Brien this morning, stuck in a cab in central London. What an arrogant, condescending a-hole. His I told you so attitude of what would happen in Parliament yesterday was incredible. How did he know that yesterday was even going to happen 2 years ago?

Some of his early piece was good but as he warmed up...Farage in Remain clothing. Appalling.

Yes - wasn't Beckett excellent indeed.

On O'Brien.

You might think so - I think he is superb - striving to clarify and tell the TRUTH and bring some sanity to the discussion about Brexit.

He has strictly avoided saying 'I told you so' (as much as he'd love to say it - and he didn't this morning other than say he's terribly tempted to) despite him predicting correctly since day 1 everything that would happen and that has happened.

That is why he will say 'none of this will come as any surprise to those of you who have been listening for the last two years'. As I have been. And I am not surprised.

He is damning and has no time for those who come on with an opening gambit of 'I believe that...' - when there are facts that make the belief spurious - and so he aims to base what he says upon the facts as they were back then, and as they are today. So callers will say 'You believe that...' and he will stop them immediately and say 'I do not believe that at all - I know that, based upon the facts...' He will then state the facts and then he will ask the caller to support their 'belief' with some facts. And in general they can't. And he is relentless in pulling the rug from under their feet if they persist with their unsubstantiated beliefs.

That can be painful listening...he knows that, and that is why lead Leavers will not go on his show. None of them - ever. Because they know that he will expose them and their lies and deceits. Farage did a few years ago and was exposed for the charlatan that he is - he has not been back. They will go on Nick Ferrari or Iain Dale as they know they'll get an easy ride (more so with Ferrari than Dale - Dale I like as a reasonable and ardent Leave supporter) - but they won't go near O'Brien - none of them. You might not like him from your brief exposure - but he is dedicating himself to exposing the liars and charlatans of Leave. That s why he quit his BBC Newsnight role.

 

[MegaSteve]

Same here, his bubble has been well and truly pricked.
I can never understand how many 'normal' folk were fooled by his smoke and mirrors politics

All the 'normal' folk I know use their own nous on which way to vote.... Not feeling the need of the BS delivered by the political classes.. Might be different in your neck of the woods mind...

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Maragar

All the 'normal' folk I know use their own nous on which way to vote.... Not feeling the need of the BS delivered by the political classes.. Might be different in your neck of the woods mind...

Well maybe that is why we are in the mess we are in - they don't read or listen to any informed comment - they just make it up according to how they feel...well that's great. But frankly I do not believe you because in my circles we try and get informed.

Maybe they should try listening to such as Margaret Beckett on Shelagh Fogerty at the moment. Loving that Beckett has just told Shelagh that Prime Minister May is lying to the British public in pretending that the deal delivers Brexit and that, if she is supported, then all will be tickety-boo. As Beckett said - she can't say that in the HoC but she can say it on the radio.

 

[drdel]

Typical left-wing anti-Brexit BBC bias.

BTW - I also listened to Dame Margaret Beckett's speech around 9pm - boy was she authoritative and on the money. Calm, clear, logical and lucid - everything that Johnson wasn't.

Good orator but several of her facts were out of date and factually incorrect.

 

[MegaSteve]

Maragar


Well maybe that is why we are in the mess we are in - they don't read or listen to any informed comment - they just make it up according to how they feel...well that's great. But frankly I do not believe you because in my circles we try and get informed.

Maybe they should try listening to such as Margaret Beckett on Shelagh Fogerty at the moment. Loving that Beckett has just told Shelagh that Prime Minister May is lying to the British public in pretending that the deal delivers Brexit and that, if she is supported, then all will be tickety-boo. As Beckett said - she can't say that in the HoC but she can say it on the radio.

What? Like the 'informed' comment telling us house values would plummet and we'd all be three grand out of pocket...

And, the tool Cable still trying to lay the blame with the old!

Folk, in general, had made their minds up long before the campaigning started...

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

...and I should add in respect of who has listened to what on the EU - the whole Brexit vote and the attitude of voters when voting has been shaped and formed in an environment of mistrust and actual hatred of the EU that the right wing press had sown over the preceding three decades.

And so whilst many Leave voters may claim to have not been listening to 'experts' in the lead-up to the vote, and that they had formed their own opinion, many would - I suggest - have formed that opinion whilst listening to and reading what was written and reported in such as the Mail, Express, Sun and Telegraph - with Johnson at the forefront of this throughout spouting his toxic nonsense...

We are where we are - and Johnson continues to spout his nonsensical waffle - as we could all have seen and heard if we were interested - last night in the HoC.

I wonder how many 'Boris lovers' will have watched that - and of those who did how many would have thought - what a marvellous, coherent and inspiring orator...I will follow him through thick and thin though it may well make me poorer and possibly destitute as he is a born leader and I believe him and in him.

His abject performance and the hammering he took from all and sundry should be required viewing.

 

[MegaSteve]

...and I should add in respect of who has listened to what on the EU - the whole Brexit vote and the attitude of voters when voting has been shaped and formed in an environment of mistrust and actual hatred of the EU that the right wing press had sown over the preceding three decades.

And so whilst many Leave voters may claim to have not been listening to 'experts' in the lead-up to the vote, and that they had formed their own opinion, many would - I suggest - have formed that opinion whilst listening to and reading what was written and reported in such as the Mail, Express, Sun and Telegraph - with Johnson at the forefront of this throughout spouting his toxic nonsense...

We are where we are - and Johnson continues to spout his nonsensical waffle - as we could all have seen and heard if we were interested - last night in the HoC.

I wonder how many 'Boris lovers' will have watched that - and of those who did how many would have thought - what a marvellous, coherent and inspiring orator...I will follow him through thick and thin though it may well make me poorer and possibly destitute as he is a born leader and I believe him and in him.

His abject performance and the hammering he took from all and sundry should be required viewing.

The only person that loves Boris is Boris himself...

And, as Boris changed sides at the last minute would suggest most would've decided their voting intention way before he indicated his intensions...

 

[Hobbit]

Yes - wasn't Beckett excellent indeed.

On O'Brien.

You might think so - I think he is superb - striving to clarify and tell the TRUTH and bring some sanity to the discussion about Brexit.

A zealot wouldn’t find another zealot extreme, nor would they see the wood for the trees.

I agree with a lot of what he was saying but I’ll say it again. He’s arrogant and condescending. He skirted around calling all Leavers thick, but had no trouble calling them gullible. That is arrogant and condescending. He doesn’t know every single Leaver, and I dare say he hasn’t had every single Leave expert on the radio.

No doubt he makes mincemeat out of the vast majority he has on, but that doesn’t make him right. His comments on sovereignty were poor. He continued to spout that there had been no loss of sovereignty. Perhaps he can explain why the U.K. has lost 85% of the objections it’s put in about EU laws. The U.K. didn’t want those laws, either in their entirety or wanted amendments. The EU said “no.” = loss of sovereignty.

There’s far better, evenly balanced Remainers out there who are well worth a listen. He does nothing to bridge the divide that’s there. He’s exactly the person we don’t need if we’re to heal the divisions.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

The only person that loves Boris is Boris himself...

And, as Boris changed sides at the last minute would suggest most would've decided their voting intention way before he indicated his intensions...

Point is - Boris had been spouting anti-EU nonsense for many years. That he self-declared to be 'on-the-fence' when the referendum was triggered is a rather sad joke as it was he and his right wing elitist-billionaire-owned press anti-EU colleagues who had laid out and fertilised the landscape in which anti-EU feelings festered and grew among the electorate - without any of us really having a clear understanding of the EU one way or the other.

But the perceptions in the electorate were formed over these three decades, and until a few of the main culprits actually come clean about their lies and deceptions we are stuck with an angry mess. However leopards can change...witness the change of tack of the Daily Mail under the new editor. Quentin Letts doesn't like it and so has left - I wonder what that rags more rabidly anti-EU readers think...though I suspect that they won't change their mind unless or until the likes of Johnson speaks some truths, but he wont - as it's still all about Johnson.

Johnson's performance in the HoC yesterday was, in my eyes and to my ears, utterly lamentable - and yet it is he who many would still have leading this country to never-never land. And very few of them I suggest will have watched.

 

[Hobbit]

Point is - Boris had been spouting anti-EU nonsense for many years. That he self-declared to be 'on-the-fence' when the referendum was triggered is a rather sad joke as it was he and his right wing elitist-billionaire-owned press anti-EU colleagues who had laid out and fertilised the landscape in which anti-EU feelings festered and grew among the electorate - without any of us really having a clear understanding of the EU one way or the other.

But the perceptions in the electorate were formed over these three decades, and until a few of the main culprits actually come clean about their lies and deceptions we are stuck with an angry mess. However leopards can change...witness the change of tack of the Daily Mail under the new editor. Quentin Letts doesn't like it and so has left - I wonder what that rags more rabidly anti-EU readers think...though I suspect that they won't change their mind unless or until the likes of Johnson speaks some truths, but he wont - as it's still all about Johnson.

Johnson's performance in the HoC yesterday was, in my eyes and to my ears, utterly lamentable - and yet it is he who many would still have leading this country to never-never land. And very few of them I suggest will have watched.

Like you, I think Boris is extremely poor to put it mildly. But I have no problem with others liking him. They are right in their eyes because its about opinions. And those opinions and beliefs they have are 100% right in what they want.

Some will like Corbyn, others won't. Some will like May, others would prefer Rees-Mogg or Johnson. All are right. Politics in this country seems to be about constantly dissing the opposition. Why isn't about the great messages and having people choose something because its good rather than choosing something because the other is bad.... probably very poorly worded.

 

[Tashyboy]

All the 'normal' folk I know use their own nous on which way to vote.... Not feeling the need of the BS delivered by the political classes.. Might be different in your neck of the woods mind...

Keep talking steve. You have my attention. The bottom line with the shower of crap that is Brexit, is that people of both remain or leave used there own " nous". Some folk won't have that. Everyone that voted Brexit was lied to. That's what remainers would have us to believe. Leaving the EU was the people's choice. The remainers have said all along this is not what we voted for, eg, falling value of £, loss of trade, loss of jobs etc etc etc. What we never voted for was May selling this country down the river. The shower of *** that are trying to get through a rubbish deal. What really worries me is that the more May and the Tories screw up this deal. The more that Corbyn and his thick as pig muck allies ie Diane Abbot have chance of choosing the wallpaper in No10. Then the remainers will really know what it's like to be up to the neck in the smelly stuff. I know we follow the USA in lot of things, but the Yanks had it easy in choosing between Clinton and Trump. When the next General election comes along I am going on holiday.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Just switched to HoC TV and some Labour MP is pratting on about the war.
The one that started nearly 70 years ago.

 

[SocketRocket]

Just switched to HoC TV and some Labour MP is pratting on about the war.
The one that started nearly 70 years ago.

One was pratting on about the empire and slavery last night?

 

[Pro Zach]

Point is - Boris had been spouting anti-EU nonsense for many years. That he self-declared to be 'on-the-fence' when the referendum was triggered is a rather sad joke as it was he and his right wing elitist-billionaire-owned press anti-EU colleagues who had laid out and fertilised the landscape in which anti-EU feelings festered and grew among the electorate - without any of us really having a clear understanding of the EU one way or the other.

But the perceptions in the electorate were formed over these three decades, and until a few of the main culprits actually come clean about their lies and deceptions we are stuck with an angry mess. However leopards can change...witness the change of tack of the Daily Mail under the new editor. Quentin Letts doesn't like it and so has left - I wonder what that rags more rabidly anti-EU readers think...though I suspect that they won't change their mind unless or until the likes of Johnson speaks some truths, but he wont - as it's still all about Johnson.

Johnson's performance in the HoC yesterday was, in my eyes and to my ears, utterly lamentable - and yet it is he who many would still have leading this country to never-never land. And very few of them I suggest will have watched.

bigot
/ˈbɪɡət/
noun

1. a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

bigot
/ˈbɪɡət/
noun

1. a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions

If the bigot accusation is directed at me please withdraw it. If it is directed at Johnson then that is your opinion. I might not agree.

Being intolerant of someone's views when you consider these views to be duplicitous, misleading and lies is not being a bigot. When I hear any one individual spouting such stuff and the self-serving stuff we hear from Johnson, then I have difficulty loving him and praying for him. But I know that have to. Bleedin' nuisance that...

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

A zealot wouldn’t find another zealot extreme, nor would they see the wood for the trees.

I agree with a lot of what he was saying but I’ll say it again. He’s arrogant and condescending. He skirted around calling all Leavers thick, but had no trouble calling them gullible. That is arrogant and condescending. He doesn’t know every single Leaver, and I dare say he hasn’t had every single Leave expert on the radio.

No doubt he makes mincemeat out of the vast majority he has on, but that doesn’t make him right. His comments on sovereignty were poor. He continued to spout that there had been no loss of sovereignty. Perhaps he can explain why the U.K. has lost 85% of the objections it’s put in about EU laws. The U.K. didn’t want those laws, either in their entirety or wanted amendments. The EU said “no.” = loss of sovereignty.

There’s far better, evenly balanced Remainers out there who are well worth a listen. He does nothing to bridge the divide that’s there. He’s exactly the person we don’t need if we’re to heal the divisions.

If you were listening just now you'd have heard a conversation JO'B had with an ardent Leaver - who when asked of a significant benefit of Leaving the caller stated the amount of money that would be saved by not having to pay translators for EU nationals getting treatment in the NHS. JO'B asked the caller on the numbers of translators working in the NHS for EU27 nationals to back up his 'savings' claim. The caller didn't know - but it was a lot - he claimed. JO'B then pulled out the languages for which translators are most commonly required in the NHS.

Arabic, Bengali, Gujarati, Lithuanian, Nepalese, Panjabi, Polish, Portuguese, Turkish and Urdu. (FACT)

The caller fell silent and the call ended.

JO'B admitted that he might have made the caller feel stupid, but was not apologetic - he doesn't just do it for callers - he'll do it for anyone - and was clear that when a Leave supporter makes a statement he will ask for the evidence and then when - as here none is forthcoming - he will simply state the facts.

Meanwhile which part of the world are we going to get (and are already seeing) much greater levels of immigration from after we leave and EU immigration levels fall as is demanded? Yes indeedy - the Sub-continent (FACT)

But this stuff on the cost of translators in the NHS and it being as a result of EU immigration - and how that cost will be significantly reduced once we leave - is just the sort of stuff peddled by the Right Wing press and Johnson - and that is simply not true. In fact the cost of translators could well go up.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Meanwhile which part of the world are we going to get (and are already seeing) much greater levels of immigration from after we leave and EU immigration levels fall as is demanded? Yes indeedy - the Sub-continent (FACT)

I'm not disagreeing as I don't know the recent immigration numbers but why is it a "FACT" that we are going to see much greater levels of immigration from the sub-continent after Brexit? Surely the whole point of Brexit and having an independent immigration strategy is that we can decide who comes to the UK and where they come from. If we need engineers from India then they will be allowed to come here. Equally if we need sheep farmers from New Zealand they will be allowed entry. And if we need seasonal workers from the EU countries to harvest crops then they will be allowed/encouraged to come.

This seems a much better immigration policy than the current one, which could be described as racist as it makes it harder for some people to come to the UK while at the same time making it easier for others purely because of an accident of birth that they were born in Nigeria rather than Poland.

Why is it a bad thing that the UK allows in those people that are needed rather than blindly accepting anyone from 27 other countries that fancies coming here?

 

[Hobbit]

If you were listening just now you'd have heard a conversation JO'B had with an ardent Leaver - who when asked of a significant benefit of Leaving the caller stated the amount of money that would be saved by not having to pay translators for EU nationals getting treatment in the NHS. JO'B asked the caller on the numbers of translators working in the NHS for EU27 nationals to back up his 'savings' claim. The caller didn't know - but it was a lot - he claimed. JO'B then pulled out the languages for which translators are most commonly required in the NHS.

Arabic, Bengali, Gujarati, Lithuanian, Nepalese, Panjabi, Polish, Portuguese, Turkish and Urdu. (FACT)

The caller fell silent and the call ended.

JO'B admitted that he might have made the caller feel stupid, but was not apologetic - he doesn't just do it for callers - he'll do it for anyone - and was clear that when a Leave supporter makes a statement he will ask for the evidence and then when - as here none is forthcoming - he will simply state the facts.

Meanwhile which part of the world are we going to get (and are already seeing) much greater levels of immigration from after we leave and EU immigration levels fall as is demanded? Yes indeedy - the Sub-continent (FACT)

But this stuff on the cost of translators in the NHS and it being as a result of EU immigration - and how that cost will be significantly reduced once we leave - is just the sort of stuff peddled by the Right Wing press and Johnson - and that is simply not true. In fact the cost of translators could well go up.

And??

Does the above prove anything of importance? It’s a bit of anecdotal evidence and that’s all. It proves a very small point in a huge issue. A pointless waste of time and oxygen.

Yesterday’s comment about all Leavers being gullible was arrogant and condescending. If he’s your benchmark/hero then may God give you greater clarity of thought. Being articulate, as he is, doesn’t make his opinions of good quality.

If you really want to hear a good Remainer, listen to Ken Clarke.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I'm not disagreeing as I don't know the recent immigration numbers but why is it a "FACT" that we are going to see much greater levels of immigration from the sub-continent after Brexit? Surely the whole point of Brexit and having an independent immigration strategy is that we can decide who comes to the UK and where they come from. If we need engineers from India then they will be allowed to come here. Equally if we need sheep farmers from New Zealand they will be allowed entry. And if we need seasonal workers from the EU countries to harvest crops then they will be allowed/encouraged to come.

This seems a much better immigration policy than the current one, which could be described as racist as it makes it harder for some people to come to the UK while at the same time making it easier for others purely because of an accident of birth that they were born in Nigeria rather than Poland.

Why is it a bad thing that the UK allows in those people that are needed rather than blindly accepting anyone from 27 other countries that fancies coming here?

It's a fact that in the latest figures net immigration has not changed that much (and I don't expect them to change much in the future - not exactly what May has sold in respect of her <100,000 target and expected by many of the electorate) - however the numbers of Non-EU nationals coming to the UK increased as the number of EU nationals coming has fallen. That's just how it is. And we know that looking forward sub-continent countries will be expecting easier access to the UK for their nationals as part of any trade deal. But that's the future - the figures today already show a change in the EU/Non-EU balance on immigration.

I do not see it as a bad thing that there could be many more sub-continent nationals in the UK as we look into the future - no issue at all. I suspect that unfortunately my view may not be held by some - or many - Leave voters.

BTW - Do you have stats that suggest EU27 nationals only came here because the fancied it? The evidence that I am aware of indicates that most came here as there were jobs available, and that these jobs paid more than they'd get at home - also that most EU27 nationals in the UK worked and contributed to the tax take - contributing more to the state coffers than they took from it.