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The Words of Wisdom of Boris Johnson - Foreign Secretary

SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Because he has deliberately caused upset and divisive debate as aa vehicle for building his support in the electorate and his quest to replace May as leader of the Conservative Party and to become PM. I suggest that he quite his job as Foreign Secretary because he feared he was losing out in the early jostling for position in the race to replace her; he could not say what he knew would strike a chord with many of the electorate and Tory Party members - he could not blow the dog whistle that would have them flocking to his side.

This is not something that can just be ignored as fuss over nothing.

If it was a 'nothing' then where was his apology for inadvertently upsetting a section of our community. None was forthcoming and he said he wouldn't. Why? Because he wanted his 'misspeaking' to be seen by his target audience as nothing of the sort - and once he had them onside an apology of any sorts was out of the questions - one never being on the cards in any case.

He knew exactly the reaction he'd get - he got it. And he got the divisive debate he wanted over a subject that is frankly of not that much importance compared with the other huge issues facing the country. That matters not a jot to Johnson. The attire of a tiny % of the population of this country has served it's self-serving purpose.

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson should be rejected by all who care about our democracy. The 'obnoxious right' are now shouting that complaints about what he wrote is an attempt to close down their freedom of speech - they want to be able to say whatever they want abut Muslims.

And so this morning we find Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson - looking a complete mess - wearing ludicrous shorts and shirt - smugly and innocently offers tea to journalists. Oh what a jolly plain speaking fellow. I don't think so. We tolerate him and pander to his every whim at our democratic peril.
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If you are correct then it's certainly working with you. Try chilling a bit, chillaxe, don't get so rabid about things that are tomorrow's chip paper.
 
SocketRocket said:
If you are correct then it's certainly working with you. Try chilling a bit, chillaxe, don't get so rabid about things that are tomorrow's chip paper.
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This might be - but the effect will be longer felt and so it should not be forgotten. There are way too many obnoxious idiots out there looking for a lead and any justification for their racist tendencies.

And you are right - I might not be correct - but if that is the case then commentators from across the political spectrum - other than the likes of Farage - will also be wrong - and wrong in their very serious concerns about Johnson; where his self-serving ambitions might take us; and what that might mean for the social cohesion of our country and our democracy. 'In Bed with Bannon' is a prospect that should worry us all.
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
This might be - but the effect will be longer felt and so it should not be forgotten. There are way too many obnoxious idiots out there looking for a lead and any justification for their racist tendencies.

And you are right - I might not be correct - but if that is the case then commentators from across the political spectrum - other than the likes of Farage - will also be wrong - and wrong in their very serious concerns about Johnson; where his self-serving ambitions might take us; and what that might mean for the social cohesion of our country and our democracy. 'In Bed with Bannon' is a prospect that should worry us all.
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By the shores of the gitcigumee sat SILH old and grey.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
This might be - but the effect will be longer felt and so it should not be forgotten. There are way too many obnoxious idiots out there looking for a lead and any justification for their racist tendencies.

And you are right - I might not be correct - but if that is the case then commentators from across the political spectrum - other than the likes of Farage - will also be wrong - and wrong in their very serious concerns about Johnson; where his self-serving ambitions might take us; and what that might mean for the social cohesion of our country and our democracy. 'In Bed with Bannon' is a prospect that should worry us all.
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You do realise that just about every politician that has spoken out against Boris has a vested interest in the outcome. The media has broadcast the news, the politicians have broadcast an opinion smothered in their own self interest.

I'm not for one minute suggesting Boris is a saint but the hysteria is deafening.
 
Meanwhile back in Johnson-land what does he write about today in the DT? Well he is writing about housing. And guess what...the Secretary of State for Housing, Communities and Local Government - Jame Brokenshire - is today announcing new government initiative and funding on addressing homelessness. Well what a coincidence, consequently Johnson attracts attention to his thoughts on housing, and that will inevitably be a distraction from the governments related policy announcement.

And so we see that through the auspices of the Daily Telegraph - Johnson will, in the coming weeks and months, be setting out in his weekly column his manifesto for leadership of the Tory Party. Meanwhile most other potential candidates are in government or the cabinet, and therefore restricted in what they might say in respect of their own views, to the government and cabinet line.

Neat trick that resignation dear ex-Foreign Secretary
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Meanwhile back in Johnson-land what does he write about today in the DT? Well he is writing about housing. And guess what...the Secretary of State for Housing, Communities and Local Government - Jame Brokenshire - is today announcing new government initiative and funding on addressing homelessness. Well what a coincidence, consequently Johnson attracts attention to his thoughts on housing, and that will inevitably be a distraction from the governments related policy announcement.

And so we see that through the auspices of the Daily Telegraph - Johnson will, in the coming weeks and months, be setting out in his weekly column his manifesto for leadership of the Tory Party. Meanwhile most other potential candidates are in government or the cabinet, and therefore restricted in what they might say in respect of their own views, to the government and cabinet line.

Neat trick that resignation dear ex-Foreign Secretary
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Oops - little mistake - just heard that Brokenshire has advised that the £100m over 10yrs for this new initiative is not all new money - £50m has already been assigned.

Curious the struggle to find money to address homelessness when May's Magic Money tree found £1bn for the DUP. I wonder about the difference in imperatives.

Anyway - nothing for ABdPfJ to worry about - he can say whatever he wants
 
Hobbit said:
You do realise that just about every politician that has spoken out against Boris has a vested interest in the outcome. The media has broadcast the news, the politicians have broadcast an opinion smothered in their own self interest.

I'm not for one minute suggesting Boris is a saint but the hysteria is deafening.
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I'd suggest that where there is hysteria that should be redirected as outrage and condemnation around Johnson's scheming, divisive and self-serving 'dog-whistle' politics.

Instead we hear complaints about a mocking attack on a vulnerable minority from the left and centre, and complaints about restrictions on free speech from the right - most especially the 'obnoxious right'. Divided views just as he wanted - with the 'obnoxious right' lining up behind him seemingly forgetting or ignorant of the fact that his current position is against a ban.
 
Interesting discussion on the John Beatie wireless programme about iffy political jokes.

One split the panel ....France win the World Cup, congratulations Africa.

I though that quite clever and funny but some folks thought it was racist.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Interesting discussion on the John Beatie wireless programme about iffy political jokes.

One split the panel ....France win the World Cup, congratulations Africa.

I though that quite clever and funny but some folks thought it was racist.
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Would the same be thought, said and found funny about many of the GB & NI successes on the track in the Euro Champs just finished. I was very proud of our athletes - I fear that some will not see it that way - in fact I know that some will not see it that way as I have heard such views spoken.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Would the same be thought, said and found funny about many of the GB & NI successes on the track in the Euro Champs just finished. I was very proud of our athletes - I fear that some will not see it that way - in fact I know that some will not see it that way as I have heard such views spoken.
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Some will think that Tony Blair is one of the Lizard people, there will always be some people who have extreme views, in fact I Know It as I have heard such views spoken.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
in fact I know that some will not see it that way as I have heard such views spoken.
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Is it possible that you need to change the type of people that you are spending time with? Whether it is Brexit and extreme views on immigration, racist comments about British athletes of African decent, or any other topic you always seem to have heard these extreme views being spoken about. That would suggest that you are spending time in the company of the wrong people. :thup:
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Cyclist in Lycra know they look ridiculous
Golfers in Rupert Bear pants know they look silly
Morris Men know they are Morris Men

All the above are quite happy and accept that others might giggle and point.

Muslim women wearing the niqab do so in all seriousness - they are entitled to expect respect from others - not be made the butt of a senior politicians 'joke' - a joke that will be found funny by those of a certain mindset and whose favour he wishes to curry.
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Utter tripe.
It’s an article of clothing. End of. If we cannot say people look silly wearing certain clothing then political correctness has gone way, way too far and people like you are responsible.
Joan Rivers made entire series of satire programmes called “Fashion Police” just saying film stars and celebrities looked silly or otherwise based on their clothing choice. Are you saying those people and their designers whose entire self worth is based on fashion do not wear such items in all seriousness? Did I miss it? Were you professionally offended for them too?
Muslim women wearing ( or being made to wear) these garments are entitled to as much protection from ridicule as the rest of us. No more, no less. To suggest otherwise is to suggest we give some people in society preferential treatment based on their culture. Surely you of all people are not advocating that?
And btw. An MP expressing his or her opinion is something you should have learned to accept by now. It’s kind of their job.
 
And so - the self-serving, deceitful liar and cheat that is Boris Johnson gradually manoeuvres himself - guided by Lynton Crosby - into position for challenging the PM to a square go. But rather than be brave about it he wheedles and makes trouble from the side to undermine her so that he can pretend that her difficulties are nothing to do with him.

And yet - many in this country would have this odious snake as our Prime Minister - or maybe it should be dangerous crocodile - because as we know - never smile at a crocodile; No, you can't get friendly with a crocodile; Don't be taken in by his welcome grin; He's imagining how well you'd fit within his skin. Yet many keep smiling - taken in by his welcome grin...
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
And yet - many in this country would have this odious snake as our Prime Minister - or maybe it should be dangerous crocodile - because as we know - never smile at a crocodile; No, you can't get friendly with a crocodile; Don't be taken in by his welcome grin; He's imagining how well you'd fit within his skin. Yet many keep smiling - taken in by his welcome grin...
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Interesting - you could also be describing a certain Tony Blair!!
 
PieMan said:
Interesting - you could also be describing a certain Tony Blair!!
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Not interesting - just irrelevant. I am not talking about Blair. I am talking about someone who would be our PM. Those who so accuse Blair make these accusations based upon his actions when he was PM. Very different from supporting Johnson when in full knowledge of such traits prior to becoming PM.

I suppose you think 'just Boris' his likening the PMs Chequers Proposal as a suicide belt around Britain's constitution with the detonator in Barnier's hand. That is disgusting language and straight out of the Steve Bannon / Trump playbook - say the most outrageous things and blow the loudest dog whistle to those who are of such a mind - and in the readers of The Sunday Mail he thinks that he finds them. And in that readership there is such a strong Tory membership the Tory party might feel they cannot castigate Johnson for this.

And so already we find such Andrew Bridgen excusing and indeed supporting Johnson as calling his words 'calling truth to power' Utterly appalling. Johnson should not get within sniffing distance of Number10 and Bridgen's constituents should be appalled.
 
I know that Scottish Nationalists and United Ireland supporters are desperately hoping that Johnson is chosen by a faction of the Conservative Party to be it's new leader and 'unelected' PM.
 
Not entirely sure what Boris is doing, seems like he is being advised to say shocking things so as to get headlines, doesn't matter if they are good or bad headlines just publicity. Some say it's deflection from the divorce case where he is to be listed as an adulterer by his fed up soon to be ex mrs, others say he just says what needs saying.
The suicide vest analogy just seems too much though, even for him.
Apparently if he forced and then won a leadership battle, enough tory MPs would quit so he had no parliamentary majority, couldn't govern, he really is marmite. Dont think he's helped himself last few days tbh.
Seems true he does knock May's plans but comes up with little in terms of his own ideas or options. Just winging it to become PM any way possible.
 
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