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The Words of Wisdom of Boris Johnson - Foreign Secretary

ColchesterFC said:
Is it possible that his important trip to Afghanistan was sanctioned/encouraged/arranged by Theresa May to avoid any possible problems with the vote over Heathrow? I don't think May's position is a strong one, so to make sure BJ was out of the country for a key vote he opposed, might have meant that she avoided having to make a tough decision.
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Agree however it's a tough decision she should have made some time ago. This would've given her another excuse to get rid.
 
gmc40 said:
Agree however it's a tough decision she should have made some time ago. This would've given her another excuse to get rid.
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But if Pieman is to be believed (and I have no reason to doubt him) then BJ is actually doing a pretty good job so May might not want to get rid. In any government there has to be room for people to disagree and have different opinions, much like May being a Remainer and several of those in ministerial positions being Leavers. I'm not sure any PM should surround themselves by "yes men" who agree with everything they do so to have differing opinions must be a good thing.
 
ColchesterFC said:
But if Pieman is to be believed (and I have no reason to doubt him) then BJ is actually doing a pretty good job so May might not want to get rid. In any government there has to be room for people to disagree and have different opinions, much like May being a Remainer and several of those in ministerial positions being Leavers. I'm not sure any PM should surround themselves by "yes men" who agree with everything they do so to have differing opinions must be a good thing.
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Differing opinions are a good thing. The issue with Johnson however is that when he does disagree it's usually in a way that undermines the PM. That's not the way to do things.
 
ColchesterFC said:
But if Pieman is to be believed (and I have no reason to doubt him) then BJ is actually doing a pretty good job so May might not want to get rid. In any government there has to be room for people to disagree and have different opinions, much like May being a Remainer and several of those in ministerial positions being Leavers. I'm not sure any PM should surround themselves by "yes men" who agree with everything they do so to have differing opinions must be a good thing.
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You're not wrong in that bold statement but when you're a PM/Govt with no working majority you need everyone on side. Boris is exploiting May's weakness for personal career gain any chance he gets. You don't see that (at least outwardly) with others ministers. To think otherwise is plain naive.....imho.:funk:
 
PieMan said:
What are you going on about? I've already told you that people who've been with him have been impressed with him in his role as FS!

But of course if you know better and have actually been with him in his official capacity then fair play.
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So your chums are happy with his disloyalty, his mendaciousness, his scorn for business (f***), his carelessness with facts (Zaghari- Ratcliffe) - the list goes on and on? Perhaps he is being served by incompetents.
 
hors limite said:
So your chums are happy with his disloyalty, his mendaciousness, his scorn for business (f***), his carelessness with facts (Zaghari- Ratcliffe) - the list goes on and on? Perhaps he is being served by incompetents.
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Yawn, yawn, yawn. Not my chums, just people who I've worked with and been in meetings with who have expressed their opinions. And I'd hardly class some of these ladies and gents as incompetent.

But you're fully entitled to your views and opinions of course - just tried to introduce some balance and perspective to this thread. I cannot add anything else to this one now so will just sit back and laugh away.
 
PieMan said:
Yawn, yawn, yawn. Not my chums, just people who I've worked with and been in meetings with who have expressed their opinions. And I'd hardly class some of these ladies and gents as incompetent.

But you're fully entitled to your views and opinions of course - just tried to introduce some balance and perspective to this thread. I cannot add anything else to this one now so will just sit back and laugh away.
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PieMan.. I have no sympathy for you.. you have been previously warned against bring facts & observations into an emotional charged thread.. :)

just to disclose my card> I used to like BoJo when he was the harmless mayor of this great city. Lost all respect for him when he chose Brexit as a way to further his political career irrespective of personal opinions (he was clearly pro-EU when he was mayor also did he not pen the pro-EU paper before switching sides). He may be good when he is on message (clearly drafted by his team), but he is a loose cannon when he is cornered..
 
Waiting for some words of wisdom from our Foreign Secretary.

For any principled person in his position with his views the words would be 'I resign'

But we have learnt how principled our Foreign Secretary is - well Principle #1 is 'I will at all times look after #1'
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Waiting for some words of wisdom from our Foreign Secretary.

For any principled person in his position with his views the words would be 'I resign'

But we have learnt how principled our Foreign Secretary is - well Principle #1 is 'I will at all times look after #1'
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Didn't he give his words of wisdom yesterday which were along the lines of "I'm going to stay in government and fight for Brexit from within"? Or as I actually read it... "I'm not going to resign as my principles are quite flexible when they need to be to keep my job and ministerial car".
 
ColchesterFC said:
Didn't he give his words of wisdom yesterday which were along the lines of "I'm going to stay in government and fight for Brexit from within"? Or as I actually read it... "I'm not going to resign as my principles are quite flexible when they need to be to keep my job and ministerial car".
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He may well have said something like that...but news outlets of any hie don't seem to be reporting it.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
He may well have said something like that...but news outlets of any hie don't seem to be reporting it.
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There were a couple of lines about him, and what he said, in one of the BBC news articles from yesterday and also on Sky News but that's all I saw.

"The BBC understands Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson was vocal and hostile in his opposition to Mrs May's plan, which he reportedly said would leave the UK as a "vassal state" and be a "serious inhibitor of free trade".
Allies of Mr Johnson say he is staying in the cabinet to "make the argument for Brexiteers"."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44752273
 
He’s in meetings today doing his day job, but due to do a press conference at 5 tonight, so plenty of time for you to listen to James O B for some more anti UK claptrap.
 
PieMan said:
But as I've been trying to get across - obviously not well enough - when he's behind closed doors - even when abroad and in his role as FS - he's very good. Blimey thought everyone was well aware that you shouldn't believe everything you read/see in the media!!

I appreciate that there's a number of you on here who don't want to believe that, but to say he's a figure of fun and not capable on the world stage is just not accurate. But hey, that's only what I've been told from colleagues who have been working with him since he was appointed.

As I said, if anyone knows different - like actually being in meetings with him at these international events - then happy to stand corrected.
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He certainly made an 'unfortunate' howler (or 2) early on in his role! But it seems he's quite a quick learner! I remember cringing at the handover to London of the Olympics, but that seemed to turn out OK (especially for we West Ham fans!)!

I certainly agree that he's a serious creep (and a buffoon) whose only real loyalty is to himself! But that could be stated about ALL politicians, so I've no problem with that being so obviously his approach!
 
Dellboy said:
He’s in meetings today doing his day job, but due to do a press conference at 5 tonight, so plenty of time for you to listen to James O B for some more anti UK claptrap.
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anti UK claptrap?...when this shambles of a government and anti-EU ideologues are driving the UK towards a cliff and you scoff at and dismiss those who suggest that a cliff is coming rapidly; we don;t have a steering wheel and and we don't know where the brakes are - and you suggest that those warning of this are anti-UK - good God.
 
Foxholer said:
He certainly made an 'unfortunate' howler (or 2) early on in his role! But it seems he's quite a quick learner! I remember cringing at the handover to London of the Olympics, but that seemed to turn out OK (especially for we West Ham fans!)!

I certainly agree that he's a serious creep (and a buffoon) whose only real loyalty is to himself! But that could be stated about ALL politicians, so I've no problem with that being so obviously his approach!
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I'm sure you'd have the courage to say that to his face.

In my direct experience (albeit) a few years back - he was always on top of his subject, decisive and well respected by those around him. Sat behind the keyboard you can ignore actual experience and Pieman's comments since that is your right but IMO these sorts of remarks are better suited to a kids playground.
 
drdel said:
I'm sure you'd have the courage to say that to his face.

In my direct experience (albeit) a few years back - he was always on top of his subject, decisive and well respected by those around him. Sat behind the keyboard you can ignore actual experience and Pieman's comments since that is your right but IMO these sorts of remarks are better suited to a kids playground.
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There's the thing it's not the respect of those around him he should be seeking...
But those he's meant to be serving...
 
I wish I could say good riddance - but I suspect he will linger - and fear that before very long he will be promoting himself as a replacement for May?
 
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