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The Words of Wisdom of Boris Johnson - Foreign Secretary

FairwayDodger said:
Our entire dysfunctional relationship with the EU has been blighted by one concession to "leavers" or "eurosceptics" after another. No doubt that approach would have continued had we voted to stay in.
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And so it should if the percentage in/out was reversed! IMO of course!

While there are many excellent things about being in the EU, there were/are a significant number of disadvantages caused by membership as well! I don't consider the 'supremacy' of the ECJ as one of them though!

I'm certainly always been a 'Eurosceptic'!
 
Foxholer said:
Nope! I'm just asking you to actually explain why you claimed Hacker considered Leavers 'stupid', when he stated nothing of the sort!

And you STILL haven't answered the question about one of the major points of campaigning - to get the (apparently, in your opinion, stupid) undecided to vote your way!
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Can I rescind my original statement and say that some leavers are stupid if some of this thread is anything to go by. As I think that will make it easier for all. ;)
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Cameron achieved some concessions for those inclined to Leave - they were rejected.
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That is not an answer to the question I asked so I can only assume from your non-answer that you don't intend to answer as it undermines your position on compromising after Leave won so I will leave it there.
 
ger147 said:
That is not an answer to the question I asked so I can only assume from your non-answer that you don't intend to answer as it undermines your position on compromising after Leave won so I will leave it there.
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Sorry Gerry - I'll go back and find question - I thought you asked about compromise. And I thought that that was effectively what Cameron achieved. I would have thought there would have to have been, as a minimum, some attempt to change policy in respect of immigration - but as changes to freedom of movement could be very difficult to achieve unilaterally - then some form of limiting benefits for a period and maybe also 'free at point of use' NHS for the employed immigrant for some defined short period - maybe 4yrs.

Not what I'd necessarily want but recognition of concerns of the others and some move to mitigate their issues and allay their fears would be essential. I'd have wanted a 'victorious' Remain to show humility in victory, and understanding and compassion towards the 'defeated'.
 
I find it mildly amusing that the three pompous brexiters witter on about the importance of keeping negotiations secret whilst the EU people they are trying to negotiate with go straight to a press briefing on what they were discussing.
 
Blue in Munich said:
Well, make your mind up, did he achieve some rock solid concessions or not?
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We don't know - and we will never know unless they are resurrected in such as a soft-Brexit negotiation - then we might. The Leave campaign claimed the were hard as marshmallow - but they would claim that - and that claim was bought by many.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
We don't know - and we will never know unless they are resurrected in such as a soft-Brexit negotiation - then we might. The Leave campaign claimed the were hard as marshmallow - but they would claim that - and that claim was bought by many.
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Whilst there are plenty of examples of what he got, e.g. The Telegraph 20th Feb this year, many of which appear to be excellent concessions, none of them were binding until ratified by the EU parliament. They weren't scheduled to go before the EU parliament unless there was a vote to stay in.

They were agreed in principle only.
 
And, whoever dug up John Major can they please put him back into the obscurity where he belongs...

"Tyranny of the majority"... My backside...


And yes, I do know this is a phrase that's been used before...
By folk, for when democracy doesn't pan out the way they hoped/expected...
 
MegaSteve said:
And, whoever dug up John Major can they please put him back into the obscurity where he belongs...

"Tyranny of the majority"... My backside...


And yes, I do know this is a phrase that's been used before...
By folk, for when democracy doesn't pan out the way they hoped/expected...
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He makes a very valid point and speaks the truth. Rock on John.
 
So our Foreign Secretary tells the French President that he "should not administer punishment beatings for anyone trying to escape Europe in the manner of some world war two movie"

Really Boris? Very diplomatic and intelligent words from Mr Johnson.

Wind up the French? Why not! Very Helpful.

Your thoughts of 30th November linked to in my previous my here were sensible - these were not.
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
So our Foreign Secretary tells the French President that he "should not administer punishment beatings for anyone trying to escape Europe in the manner of some world war two movie"

Really Boris? Very diplomatic and intelligent words from Mr Johnson.

Wind up the French? Why not! Very Helpful.

Your thoughts of 30th November linked to in my previous my here were sensible - these were not.
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I think his analogy was quite good but there will always be people looking to be upset by what he says.
 
Well Boris - seems like the US SoS Tillerson doesn't want you about when he's speaking with Vlad - probably doesn't want you using silly language or saying something inappropriate or conflicting with US policy.

That said - given how silent Tillerson has been on matters since he was appointed - and the globe-trotting role that Kushner has - I'm not sure that Tillerson has much idea what to say to Vlad either - especially when just a week or so ago Tillerson said that 'sorting out Assad was for the Syrian people' - giving Assad the green light to use chemical weapons against Syrians.

Never mind Boris - I'm sure you'll develop into a heavyweight UK Foreign Secretary in time - a very long time.
 
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